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    Default Winter Weather 2010, have lessons been learned?

    Last Winter, we experienced some of the worst weather in Ireland for decades.

    Will the government be ready to deal with another rough winter? and do you think it may be as bad this year weather wise? Have you seen any new flood defence measures?

    I sent an email with my concerns last November 2009 to the office of the OPW.

    I got a reply back in July 2010.

    In fairness I got an informative reply, which I thought I'd share here. I've emboldened a choice bit below about recent steps to take flood consideration into account in the planning process.

    Here is the reply in full.

    Dear Mr. *******,

    I refer to your e-mail of 26th November, 2009 enquiring as to the
    possibility of diverting a portion of the foreign aid budget(tele 670million) to flood
    alleviation measures. The delay in responding to your e-mail is regretted.

    I wish to advise that funding has been provided by several Government
    Departments in order to tackle the results of the flooding throughout
    the country from November, 2009. Funding was provided in the following
    ways:

    - 10m was provided for a Humanitarian Aid Scheme administered through
    the Community Welfare Service of the Department of Social Protection to
    alleviate hardship by the flooding.
    - 2m was allocated for a targeted Fodder Aid Scheme administered by the
    Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food.
    - 14m of funding was provided by the Department of the Environment,
    Heritage and Local Government for post-flooding clean -up by local
    authorities
    - 50m was allocated to the OPW for flood risk management in 2010.

    The Office of Public Works has primary responsibility for the management
    of flood risks associated with rivers (fluvial) and flooding from the
    sea. Flooding from rainfall (pluvial) and flooding from surface water
    drainage system are matters that primarily are dealt with by local
    authorities. In carrying out its responsibilities in relation to
    flooding, the OPW:

    - undertakes or commissions flood risk management studies with a view to
    identifying areas of significant risk .

    - implements major flood relief schemes aimed at reducing flood risk

    - provides information and advice in relation to flood prevention and
    flood mitigation measures to the general public and public bodies

    - provides funding for localised minor flood mitigation works and
    studies undertaken by Local Authorities.

    In relation to the last point, the OPW allocated funding of 2.1 m to
    local authorities to undertake minor flood mitigation works in 2009. To
    date in 2010 an amount of 10.6m has been allocated to local authorities
    and further funding will be allocated during the year.

    With regard to your comment on building on flood plains, I wish to
    advise that on 30th November, 2009 the Department of the Environment,
    Heritage and Local Government published Guidelines on the Planning
    System & Flood Risk Management on the consideration of flood risk in the
    planning and development management system.
    The Guidelines, which were
    developed in conjunction with the OPW, identify the need for planning
    authorities to undertake a Flood Risk Assessment (FRA) to identify,
    quantify and communicate the risk of flooding to an appropriate degree
    of detail to inform the plan-making process.

    I trust the foregoing demonstrates the commitment of the OPW and other
    Government bodies to address the hardship caused by flooding and to
    reduce the risk of further occurrences.

    Yours sincerely,

    ********* *******
    OPW
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    From Todays Indo
    Cold snap to herald another icy winter - Weather, Frontpage - Independent.ie

    Rain, hail and bitter north-westerly winds are heading our way, and a northerly air stream could bring snow or sleet to Northern Ireland, with higher ground elsewhere also at risk.

    Long-term forecaster Positive Weather Solutions has predicted a 'white-out' winter almost as harsh as the last -- with widespread snow, temperatures as low as -16C and transport chaos. Last winter was the country's coldest since 1963, with temperatures 2C lower than average.
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    If those Donegal sheep have come down from the mountains again, we screwed.

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    I don't believe any lessons were learned. If they were flood defenses would have been shored up and detailed plans with resources put in place. That didn't happen, so we'll have havoc instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telemachus View Post
    Last Winter, we experienced some of the worst weather in Ireland for decades.

    Will the government be ready to deal with another rough winter? and do you think it may be as bad this year weather wise? Have you seen any new flood defence measures?

    I sent an email with my concerns last November 2009 to the office of the OPW.

    I got a reply back in July 2010.

    In fairness I got an informative reply, which I thought I'd share here. I've emboldened a choice bit below about recent steps to take flood consideration into account in the planning process.

    Here is the reply in full.
    Thanks for that..!
    Thats the "flooding" sorted so!!..

    Re the snow and ice would love to find out how far last year pushed hospitals over their budget. I know our place was non-stop for the best part of 16 days at a time when we would normally be quiet-ish.Operating theatres ran for 16/18 hours straight....physio's were overwhelmed...and beds that would have closed over christmas to save a few bob ended up fully open!
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    I have just driven from Waterford to Dublin, the stretch between Waterford to Kilkenny is down to a single lane since at least the start of the snowfall. They have done zero to correct this situation except grit one lane.

    Its a joke that the finest bit of infrastructure built in Kilkenny ever only allows motorists to drive at a 50kph crawl in a single lane. Why arent the local councils out sorting this. They have had a year to get their act together.

    Noel Dempsey main consideration at the moment is his fancy new mansion.

    Meanwhile in estates around the country pensioners and the like are trapped in their houses for fear of getting injured on the ice while hundreds of thousands of able-bodied men and women are at large, could they not set up some sort of emergency CE scheme to clear the paths in this country?
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    Was going to drive to see some friends earlier but the roads are absolutely lethal. I haven't seen any of the city but from what people have told me there appears to be next to nothing done. I don't understand why the roads haven't been cleared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liffeynorth View Post
    Was going to drive to see some friends earlier but the roads are absolutely lethal. I haven't seen any of the city but from what people have told me there appears to be next to nothing done. I don't understand why the roads haven't been cleared.
    That eejit Dempsey has a lot to answer for, on the way to work this morning, there was a man on the side of the road having a heart attack. His wife was with him and they were waiting for an ambulance.

    There going to be a lot of deaths this winter because of the poor planning by his office.
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