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Thread: Israeli cabinet approves new 'loyalty oath' for citizens

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    Default Israeli cabinet approves new 'loyalty oath' for citizens

    The oath will require new citizens to give allegiance to Israel as a 'Jewish and democratic' State. It was passed by the cabinet on 22 to 8 vote and now needs to be passed by Parliament to enter law.

    The Jewish element of the oath is of course the controversial element but in truth is it really any different from the 'special relationship' with the Catholic Church of Bunreacht nahEireann?

    RT News: Israeli cabinet approves loyalty oath

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    Meh. A lot of countries pledges involve God or a specific religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    The oath will require new citizens to give allegiance to Israel as a 'Jewish and democratic' State. It was passed by the cabinet on 22 to 8 vote and now needs to be passed by Parliament to enter law.

    The Jewish element of the oath is of course the controversial element but in truth is it really any different from the 'special relationship' with the Catholic Church of Bunreacht nahEireann?

    RT News: Israeli cabinet approves loyalty oath

    Our constitution doesn't compel citizens to swear allegiance to Ireland as 'a Catholic and democratic state. Israel tends towards this type of rampant nationalism and racism so we shouldn't be surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by collina View Post
    Our constitution doesn't compel citizens to swear allegiance to Ireland as 'a Catholic and democratic state. Israel tends towards this type of rampant nationalism and racism so we shouldn't be surprised.
    How is it racist? I do not know of any ethnic group that is debarred from being Jewish.

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    Not much worse that "one nation, under God", or invoking God in a constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panopticon View Post
    Not much worse that "one nation, under God", or invoking God in a constitution.
    With the equivocal 'God', you get three religions for the price of one, thus offending a great deal less people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    How is it racist? I do not know of any ethnic group that is debarred from being Jewish.
    It is not as simple as that.The Law of Return does not automatically give a right to Israeli citizenship.Some years ago the Israeli Supreme court refused citizenship to an ethnic Jew who had become a catholic priest.

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    Even we do the oath.

    Becoming an Irish citizen through naturalisation-Information from CitizensInformation.ie

    If your application is approved, the letter notifying you of this decision will contain instructions regarding the final procedures that must be completed before the certificate of naturalisation can be issued. These procedures include swearing an oath of fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State (usually done before a Judge of the District Court - the letter will give details of this procedure) and paying the appropriate fee.
    I dont see what's the big deal here.
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    The problem is the Jewish bit.

    Of course, plenty of predominantly Muslim countries officially describe themselves as 'Islamic', so perhaps what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. However, it would be better if all middle eastern countries moved towards secularism than rather institutionalising sectarianism
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    Article 9.3 of Búnreacht na hÉireann:

    Fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State are fundamental political duties of all citizens.
    Political duties, mind you. And while the RCC may have had (until 1973) a "special position" in the State, the two were identified as separate entities. The State didn't (or at least, wasn't meant to by the Constitution!) to enforce loyalty to the RCC.

    I'd have doubts about the constitutionality of requiring naturalising citizens to swear an oath (presumably carrying penalties for perjury etc) that native citizens couldn't be compelled to swear (after all, it's a political duty, not a legal one). The situation is not comparable to the Israeli one.

    As I understand it, the Israeli law will disenfranchise those who don't swear "loyalty" and possibly exclude them from education, welfare and health benefits etc.

    That is illiberal, undemocratic, and sectarian. It is clearly designed to reinforce the exclusion of Israeli Muslims from the state that was imposed on them and to leave them no democratic means of improving their situation. It is despicable.

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