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    Default Is the New Children's Hospital Mary harney's 'Bertie Bowl'?

    Front page of SBP discusses opposition to the childrens hospital siting at the Mater? Is this Minister Harneys Bertie Bowl? Any thoughts on a good name?

    Mary's Magnum Opus??
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    Harney's Folly (or is that name already reserved for the HSE)?
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    I read the article in the SBP. Why is nobody questioning the fact that the hospital will cost 650 million - 250 million more than the Department of Health itself believes it should cost? Crazy given there are wards closed in Crumlin and mounting waiting lists for the sick children in this country.

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    Funnily enough, I was just thinking recently that the Bertie Bowl location at Abbottstown would have been the perfect location for the new hospital:

    - No land aquisition cost
    - Direct access to M50 - access infrastructure already planned out
    - Beside Blanchardstown Hospital
    - Beside rail line

    No Brainer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Observing View Post
    I read the article in the SBP. Why is nobody questioning the fact that the hospital will cost 650 million - 250 million more than the Department of Health itself believes it should cost? Crazy given there are wards closed in Crumlin and mounting waiting lists for the sick children in this country.

    Is Noel Smyth involved in this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackdee View Post
    Funnily enough, I was just thinking recently that the Bertie Bowl location at Abbottstown would have been the perfect location for the new hospital:

    - No land aquisition cost
    - Direct access to M50 - access infrastructure already planned out
    - Beside Blanchardstown Hospital
    - Beside rail line

    No Brainer
    Anywhere but city centre. The justification that parents would be bringing sick children in by public transport was always nonsense. Somewhere accessable from the national road network is the most logical for what is supposed to be a National Children's Hospital.

    The Mater site isn't even convenient for most of Dublin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macy View Post
    Anywhere but city centre. The justification that parents would be bringing sick children in by public transport was always nonsense. Somewhere accessable from the national road network is the most logical for what is supposed to be a National Children's Hospital.

    The Mater site isn't even convenient for most of Dublin!
    Of course not.

    As well as being convenient for Dublin, Tallaght also would have been convenient for most of Leinster due to it's proximity to the M50, but it wasn't in Bertie's constituency so it went to Maher and that is the only reason the Maher was picked. The article said as much yesterday.
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    The issue that is formenting objection to the new childrens hospitol is co-location, not the location itself. Whose interests are being served here in objecting and finding spurious grounds to object? Not patients. The use of private facilities would deliver lower cost and waiting lists to certain tests, even basic ones like x-rays, which can literally take months to get through HSE administered services.

    We are in a situation where people are actually dying while waiting for a diagnosis test from the HSE. The basic truth is this, the public health service cannot deliver and is not delivering. In terms of cost and efficiency it is a failure. The solution is not to pump more money in, but to spend it more wisely.

    The HSE is an acknowledged failure. But that failure cannot be divorced from the system it administers and can do little to alter in order to deliver better care. As long as health care is free to our most needy and delivered efficiently, who cares if the building, staff or machines used are state owned or paid for assets? Who is the system aimed at pleasing?

    In any health service time taken to deliver services is critical. In the time it takes an ill citizen to get a full diagnosis through the HSE the private sector can nearly build and staff a new hospitol. That sort of proformance is something that HSE could never deliever. On every level; staff, buildings, drugs, equipment, the HSE is paying more and getting and delivering less.

    Co-location is a must. What is saved through private sector efficiency of service could be used to better deploy community and preventitive health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    The issue that is formenting objection to the new childrens hospitol is co-location, not the location itself. Whose interests are being served here in objecting and finding spurious grounds to object? Not patients. The use of private facilities would deliver lower cost and waiting lists to certain tests, even basic ones like x-rays, which can literally take months to get through HSE administered services.

    We are in a situation where people are actually dying while waiting for a diagnosis test from the HSE. The basic truth is this, the public health service cannot deliver and is not delivering. In terms of cost and efficiency it is a failure. The solution is not to pump more money in, but to spend it more wisely.

    The HSE is an acknowledged failure. But that failure cannot be divorced from the system it administers and can do little to alter in order to deliver better care. As long as health care is free to our most needy and delivered efficiently, who cares if the building, staff or machines used are state owned or paid for assets? Who is the system aimed at pleasing?

    In any health service time taken to deliver services is critical. In the time it takes an ill citizen to get a full diagnosis through the HSE the private sector can nearly build and staff a new hospitol. That sort of proformance is something that HSE could never deliever. On every level; staff, buildings, drugs, equipment, the HSE is paying more and getting and delivering less.

    Co-location is a must. What is saved through private sector efficiency of service could be used to better deploy community and preventitive health care.
    In one of the last interviews he gave before his untimely death Maurice Nelligan castigated the building of the New Childrens Hospital at The Mater.
    A 16 storey building, shoehorned into an unsuitable site, with a 4 storey carpark underground.?
    Let it be our tribute to this man's memory that we stop this nonsense now.
    Ms. Harney, we won't all be able to speed our sick children around to this hospital in a state car.
    Please, please, show us some mercy and compassion here, if there is any still left in you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    The issue that is formenting objection to the new childrens hospitol is co-location, not the location itself. Whose interests are being served here in objecting and finding spurious grounds to object? Not patients. The use of private facilities would deliver lower cost and waiting lists to certain tests, even basic ones like x-rays, which can literally take months to get through HSE administered services.

    We are in a situation where people are actually dying while waiting for a diagnosis test from the HSE. The basic truth is this, the public health service cannot deliver and is not delivering. In terms of cost and efficiency it is a failure. The solution is not to pump more money in, but to spend it more wisely.

    The HSE is an acknowledged failure. But that failure cannot be divorced from the system it administers and can do little to alter in order to deliver better care. As long as health care is free to our most needy and delivered efficiently, who cares if the building, staff or machines used are state owned or paid for assets? Who is the system aimed at pleasing?

    In any health service time taken to deliver services is critical. In the time it takes an ill citizen to get a full diagnosis through the HSE the private sector can nearly build and staff a new hospitol. That sort of proformance is something that HSE could never deliever. On every level; staff, buildings, drugs, equipment, the HSE is paying more and getting and delivering less.

    Co-location is a must. What is saved through private sector efficiency of service could be used to better deploy community and preventitive health care.
    Correct location is also a must!

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