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    The root cause of this national catastrophe is the culture of impunity that spread like a contagion since the Haughey era. - Eddie Molloy

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    We know what the problems are - it's time for solutions. Molloy lists specific solutions to a root cause of our national crisis - the fact that the bad guys routinely get away with doing bad things. In a word, impunity.

    Ireland is comparable to a country that has been involved in a needless war – and lost. The coffers are empty and we are saddled with a debt of €50 billion; a generation of young people has been lost to the nation; people have died and more will die; bulldozers are coming in to clear the rubble of ghost estates; national sovereignty has been compromised; and the population is shocked, disoriented and fearful. Yet the generals who called the shots are still in power.
    Laws are supposed to protect us from our worst instincts. Impunity subverts that goal.

    Eddie Molloy tackles this head on today in the Irish Times:


    For John Gormley, accountability means getting a “grilling”. When Richard Crowley suggested in another radio interview that no one would be held accountable for the staggering waste of public money revealed in the Comptroller and Auditor General’s latest report the Minister firmly rebutted such an ill-informed and cynical suggestion: “You’re wrong there, people are held accountable, officials have to come before the Public Accounts Committee where they get a grilling”. I must say that if I knocked down a little old lady while driving under the influence, I’d be very happy to get away with just a grilling from gardaí.

    In the spheres of morality, the legal system, corporate governance and performance management accountability without consequences is meaningless. The Taoiseach clearly appreciates this fundamental principle of any functioning institution since he repeatedly cites the clear-out of irresponsible bankers as evidence of his determination to hold people to account. Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan reassures us that we can expect lots more resignations, adding grimly that not only should such people be fired, they should be investigated by the Garda and jailed if they are found guilty of wrongdoing. They are asserting the principle that accountability must carry consequences.

    We all agree, and Brian Dobson asks the question on everyone’s lips: “What are the consequences for calamitous political failure, the failure of Ministers and senior public servants?”
    Molloy lists the elements of a cure.

    1. Restore the Freedom of Information system to its original intended status.

    2. Clean up political funding – make it totally transparent.

    3. Introduce an effective whistleblowers charter.

    4. Act on the President’s advice and install a proper performance management system in the public service.

    5. Change the rules so that firing a public servant when there are justifiable grounds is not a federal case.

    6. Bring in laws that can effectively deal with white-collar crime, quickly.

    7. Change the law so that senior officials can reveal the advice they gave to ministers (who hide behind the “I acted on the best advice” mantra). Publish the advice, as in Sweden.

    8. Above all, effectively restore perjury as a crime that carries a long jail sentence on conviction.

    Living in a society where no one ever carries the can - The Irish Times - Sat, Oct 09, 2010

    If that cure is to work it needs to be administered. Who will step up to the mark?
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    90% of all crime is apparently white collar crime and yet less than 2% of all those doing jail time are white collar criminals. To reflect reality truly Blackrock and Wesley etc. class reunions could more appropriately be held in a cage in the Four Courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    Eddie Molloy has a go today in the Irish Times:



    Molloy has a cure.

    Restore the Freedom of Information system to its original intended status.

    Clean up political funding – make it totally transparent.

    Introduce an effective whistleblowers charter.

    Act on the President’s advice and install a proper performance management system in the public service.

    Change the rules so that firing a public servant when there are justifiable grounds is not a federal case.

    Bring in laws that can effectively deal with white-collar crime, quickly.

    Change the law so that senior officials can reveal the advice they gave to ministers (who hide behind the “I acted on the best advice” mantra). Publish the advice, as in Sweden.

    Above all, effectively restore perjury as a crime that carries a long jail sentence on conviction.

    Living in a society where no one ever carries the can - The Irish Times - Sat, Oct 09, 2010

    If that cure is to work it needs to be administered. Who will step up to the mark?
    agree 100%

    the system needs a massive overhaul

    Public servants have to reminded of the fact that they are there to serve the public and if they are found dealing fraudulently they must go to JAIL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    Would you steal if you knew the chances of being caught were tiny and that you would not suffer even if you were caught? Impunity brings out the worst in us. Laws are supposed to protect us from our worst instincts. Impunity subverts that goal. The kicker is hearing the bad guys turn round when they are challenged and saying you're no different to us. You took part. In Dermot Ahern's words the 'party' is over and now 'we' have to pay.

    Impunity is a cultural phenomenon that is killing us. The knowledge that crooked dealing in government, business, finance and public administration will go unpunished has unleashed greed on a scale defying description. It is not confined to Ireland, but we need to look at our own place to see if we can fix it.

    Eddie Molloy has a go today in the Irish Times:


    Molloy has a cure.

    Restore the Freedom of Information system to its original intended status.

    Clean up political funding – make it totally transparent.

    Introduce an effective whistleblowers charter.

    Act on the President’s advice and install a proper performance management system in the public service.

    Change the rules so that firing a public servant when there are justifiable grounds is not a federal case.

    Bring in laws that can effectively deal with white-collar crime, quickly.

    Change the law so that senior officials can reveal the advice they gave to ministers (who hide behind the “I acted on the best advice” mantra). Publish the advice, as in Sweden.

    Above all, effectively restore perjury as a crime that carries a long jail sentence on conviction.

    Living in a society where no one ever carries the can - The Irish Times - Sat, Oct 09, 2010

    If that cure is to work it needs to be administered. Who will step up to the mark?

    I have suggested on another thread that the courts should be involved and that a citizen's group should bring these issues before the courts.
    My theory was that even if the action failed it would open the administrations actions, [or lack of them], up to forensic examination and that this in "itself alone" would be therapeutic.
    My idea did not gain much support, I have to admit, but I think pigs will fly before politicians and civil servant do it of their own volition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhonda15 View Post
    agree 100%

    the system needs a massive overhaul

    Public servants have to reminded of the fact that they are there to serve the public and if they are found dealing fraudulently they must go to JAIL.
    Good honourable dedicated public servants abound. But the bad apples who gets promoted by their political masters for different qualities ruin more than just the barrel.

    Molloy's Medicine would work wonders.

    The price of not taking the medicine is way beyond us.
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    The Americans have the Government Accountability Office (GAO). They are charged with oversight and act independently of the various branches of government. It is also a non-partisan organisation. Something of this nature should be considered here IMO.
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    When you make up rules that apply to only a certain number of elite people, you will have corruption. Try this crap in the private sector and see how far you go

    T.D.s will have to verify that they attend for 80 per cent of sitting days, which works out at 120 days for a TD, each year to qualify for a full allowance.

    Try this one with the revenue, and just see will they swallow it
    The second allowance will allow TDs to receive an unvouched amount of €15,000 per annum

    Commenting, Fine Gael frontbencher Dr James Reilly said he had ......."I will emphasise, however, that just because you're not in here doesn't mean you're not working on behalf of people in your constituency.

    Yea.........just like in the real working world James. You'd never go on the gargle and not turn up for work, and with out even a sick note or calling in with a "stomach bug", still claim total attendance.

    They need to treat ALL workers exactly the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulster-Lad View Post
    The Americans have the Government Accountability Office (GAO). They are charged with oversight and act independently of the various branches of government. It is also a non-partisan organisation. Something of this nature should be considered here IMO.
    Let's add that to Molloy's List.

    1. Restore the Freedom of Information system to its original intended status.

    2. Clean up political funding – make it totally transparent.

    3. Introduce an effective whistleblowers charter.

    4. Act on the President’s advice and install a proper performance management system in the public service.

    5. Change the rules so that firing a public servant when there are justifiable grounds is not a federal case.

    6. Bring in laws that can effectively deal with white-collar crime, quickly.

    7. Change the law so that senior officials can reveal the advice they gave to ministers (who hide behind the “I acted on the best advice” mantra). Publish the advice, as in Sweden.

    8. Above all, effectively restore perjury as a crime that carries a long jail sentence on conviction.
    Last edited by He3; 9th October 2010 at 10:43 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by controller View Post
    When you make up rules that apply to only a certain number of elite people, you will have corruption. Try this crap in the private sector and see how far you go

    T.D.s will have to verify that they attend for 80 per cent of sitting days, which works out at 120 days for a TD, each year to qualify for a full allowance.

    Try this one with the revenue, and just see will they swallow it
    The second allowance will allow TDs to receive an unvouched amount of €15,000 per annum

    Commenting, Fine Gael frontbencher Dr James Reilly said he had ......."I will emphasise, however, that just because you're not in here doesn't mean you're not working on behalf of people in your constituency.

    Yea.........just like in the real working world James. You'd never go on the gargle and not turn up for work, and with out even a sick note or calling in with a "stomach bug", still claim total attendance.

    They need to treat ALL workers exactly the same
    Ambitous one that...
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