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    Oscar Wilde wrote in his The Soul of Man under Socialism:

    [People] find themselves surrounded by hideous poverty, by hideous ugliness, by hideous starvation. It is inevitable that they should be strongly moved by all this... Accordingly, with admirable though misdirected intentions, they very seriously and very sentimentally set themselves to the task of remedying the evils that they see. But their remedies do not cure the disease: they merely prolong it. Indeed, their remedies are part of the disease.

    They try to solve the problem of poverty, for instance, by keeping the poor alive; or, in the case of a very advanced school, by amusing the poor.

    But this is not a solution: it is an aggravation of the difficulty. The proper aim is to try and reconstruct society on such a basis that poverty will be impossible. And the altruistic virtues have really prevented the carrying out of this aim. Just as the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the horror of the system being realised by those who suffered from it, and understood by those who contemplated it, so, in the present state of things in England, the people who do most harm are the people who try to do most good; and at last we have had the spectacle of men who have really studied the problem and know the life - educated men who live in the East End - coming forward and imploring the community to restrain its altruistic impulses of charity, benevolence, and the like. They do so on the ground that such charity degrades and demoralises. They are perfectly right. Charity creates a multitude of sins.

    There is also this to be said. It is immoral to use private property in order to alleviate the horrible evils that result from the institution of private property.

    Is Wilde right? Do we do more harm than good in giving money to the likes of Trócara? Are we really just helping to prop up criminal regimes, who might be overthrown if they did not get support for the charity organisations?

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    Last x-mas people were fooling themselves, they were prepared to splurge in the knowledge that we 'have turned a corner', i hate to say this but i expect a rise in the number of suicides during the forthcoming winter months, the one thing always ignored during an economic crisis is the human cost.

    The cynic in me is glad that this depresion will maybe shake the disenfranchised and the rest of society out of this consumer rat race of an existenct otherwise known as life
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    Certainly, people seem to be taking a new perspective on life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    Certainly, people seem to be taking a new perspective on life.
    To what end?

    History has taught us that the greatest changes in human history are foisted upon us, by that i mean the factors of change aren't deliberatly engineered they are side effects.

    If you know what i mean
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    No. Charitable donations may be misdirected or wasted, but even if this is the case for the majority of the funds that does not mean that the expenditure is not justified given the good which is done by the funds which do get through. The delivery mechanisms should be improved, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
    Repeal the 27th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    Oscar Wilde wrote in his The Soul of Man under Socialism:

    [People] find themselves surrounded by hideous poverty, by hideous ugliness, by hideous starvation. It is inevitable that they should be strongly moved by all this... Accordingly, with admirable though misdirected intentions, they very seriously and very sentimentally set themselves to the task of remedying the evils that they see. But their remedies do not cure the disease: they merely prolong it. Indeed, their remedies are part of the disease.

    They try to solve the problem of poverty, for instance, by keeping the poor alive; or, in the case of a very advanced school, by amusing the poor.

    But this is not a solution: it is an aggravation of the difficulty. The proper aim is to try and reconstruct society on such a basis that poverty will be impossible. And the altruistic virtues have really prevented the carrying out of this aim. Just as the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the horror of the system being realised by those who suffered from it, and understood by those who contemplated it, so, in the present state of things in England, the people who do most harm are the people who try to do most good; and at last we have had the spectacle of men who have really studied the problem and know the life - educated men who live in the East End - coming forward and imploring the community to restrain its altruistic impulses of charity, benevolence, and the like. They do so on the ground that such charity degrades and demoralises. They are perfectly right. Charity creates a multitude of sins.

    There is also this to be said. It is immoral to use private property in order to alleviate the horrible evils that result from the institution of private property.

    Is Wilde right? Do we do more harm than good in giving money to the likes of Trócara? Are we really just helping to prop up criminal regimes, who might be overthrown if they did not get support for the charity organisations?
    Surprised at you Cael!

    Is it not better to light a candle rather than curse the darkness?

    Positivity suggest that if we want to make an omlette, then surely we must first break eggs.

    Are you for real with this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eoghanacht View Post
    To what end?

    History has taught us that the greatest changes in human history are foisted upon us, by that i mean the factors of change aren't deliberatly engineered they are side effects.

    If you know what i mean
    Yes, Marx suggests that technology is the major influence in determining social structure. That has certainly been the case up till now. But, perhaps we can start to consciously take our own destiny into our own care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    No. Charitable donations may be misdirected or wasted, but even if this is the case for the majority of the funds that does not mean that the expenditure is not justified given the good which is done by the funds which do get through. The delivery mechanisms should be improved, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
    I think you misunderstand the OP, or else i do, the premise exists that as long as those at the bottom of society have a safety net, then they'll never achieve their true potiential, until we are faced with starvation we won't fight for ourselves.

    Charity organisations for all the good they do, and i speak as someone who has had to lean on them prolong the day until the disenfranchised finally look for their share
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radix View Post
    Surprised at you Cael!

    Is it not better to light a candle rather than curse the darkness?

    Positivity suggest that if we want to make an omlette, then surely we must first break eggs.

    Are you for real with this thread?
    I think its a very difficult question. If you see a hungry child, you would need to be a brute not to give it something to eat, if you could. But, at the same time, its unquestionably true that corrupt regimes all over the world use charity as a method of staying in power, i.e. of keeping the level of public anger just below the level where they would actually have to really do something. The same can be said in Ireland about the dole. One of the main advocates of the dole was Winston Churchill. He first wanted to castrate the unemployed, but when his party suggested that this was a bit extreme, he suggested the dole as a method of keeping unemployed men fixed in one place and to stop them from joining Revolutionary organisations. So, the dole is not there to help the unemployed. Just the opposite. Its there to metaphorically castrate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    No. Charitable donations may be misdirected or wasted, but even if this is the case for the majority of the funds that does not mean that the expenditure is not justified given the good which is done by the funds which do get through. The delivery mechanisms should be improved, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
    Im certainly not suggesting that we should not help the poor. But are we helping them when we help to keep them docile and obedient? I would say not. Personally, I would prefer to give money to the likes of the Maoists in India than to Trócara.

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