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    Joe Duffy pushes for Connolly on RTE's continuing series.

    Connolly was an irredeemabable socialist, seeking to turn Ireland into a Marxist republic. As we know he was executed after 1916. Had he not been, could he have challenged DeValera in shaping the country we have today? In particular, were we saved from the fate that befell the eastern bloc? As horrific as DeValera's Taliban republic was, was it the lesser of two evils?

    Did we dodge a bullet because Connolly didn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeDroit View Post
    Joe Duffy pushes for Connolly on RTE's continuing series.

    Connolly was an irredeemabable socialist, seeking to turn Ireland into a Marxist republic. As we know he was executed after 1916. Had he not been, could he have challenged DeValera in shaping the country we have today? In particular, were we saved from the fate that befell the eastern bloc? As horrific as DeValera's Taliban republic was, was it the lesser of two evils?

    Did we dodge a bullet because Connolly didn't?
    Connolly was a man. You are a herd animal. But, if you study the life and writings of Connolly, you might, one day, become a man too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    Connolly was a man. You are a herd animal. But, if you study the life and writings of Connolly, you might, one day, become a man too.
    SO says the follower of a discredited Political system.

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    This is an ugly, distasteful opening post. The man was shot in a chair because he could not stand, then dumped in a mass grave.

    Besides, we have Jim Larkin to tell us what would have happened to revolutionary socialism in the Free State and the Republic. We didn't need James Connolly to die so that democracy could live, and it's historically illiterate and very distasteful to suggest that we did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    Connolly was a man. You are a herd animal. But, if you study the life and writings of Connolly, you might, one day, become a man too.
    His writings, beliefs and ambitions have been utterly discredited. Communism has failed. Marxism has failed. Socialism has failed. Capitalism has had a blip and yet it survives. Connolly's trade union movement is now the biggest impediment to progress in this country and an anvil around our necks. They are the new aristocracy; oh, the irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panopticon View Post
    This is an ugly, distasteful opening post. The man was shot in a chair because he could not stand, then dumped in a mass grave.

    Besides, we have Jim Larkin to tell us what would have happened to revolutionary socialism in the Free State and the Republic. We didn't need James Connolly to die so that democracy could live, and it's historically illiterate and very distasteful to suggest that we did.
    It was a question. It opens the debate. I didnt offer a case against Connolly, I simply asked the question.
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    No doubt Joe Soapcialist will be insightful.

    I think Connolly knew there was never an appetite for an overthrow of capitalism in Ireland. He may have been an influential member of the opposition or a coalition, but I can't imagine him having achieved anything more than that. Inevitable shplits among Labourites would have hampered him too.
    If, for all his efforts, he only managed to nudge Irish politics a little to the left, many of the poorer classes would have benefited immensely. For that alone, I think it would have been better had he not gone the route of martyrdom. Now Connolly's only a nationalist who has the likes of Duffy to give lip-service to his Marxist ideals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeDroit View Post
    His writings, beliefs and ambitions have been utterly discredited.
    In the minds of mass murderers like Milton Friedman, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    Connolly was a man. You are a herd animal. But, if you study the life and writings of Connolly, you might, one day, become a man too.
    +1. + 1916 even

    2016 is on the horizon... The coming decade will be very interesting...

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    The TG4 film on Connolly a couple of weeks ago was much better.

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