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Thread: It's Not Capitalism or Communism: It's Corruption

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    Default It's Not Capitalism or Communism: It's Corruption

    Looking at the threads arguing for and against liberalism, socialism, capitalism etc., they all have exactly the same thing in common with dictatorships.

    They are all corrupt! Because they are run by men, and men are corrupt.

    Look at Religions! Run by men. Corrupted.

    Charities, scandal after scandal. Corrupted.

    Why the hell do we expect anything more? It's all we've ever known and yet for some peculiar reason we still live on in hope that somewhere, someone, some group, will emerge, totally uncorruptable and save us.

    Can anyone name me one system within the annals of history that has not been corrupt?

    So why are we always shocked when it happens? Just a thought.

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    I agree...most ideologies are formulated with noble intentions, but once implemented, are rapidly corrupted...The greedy and unscrupulous will always find a way to manipulate the system so they can fill their boots. The scum has a tendency to rise to the top with the cream...

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    Something I've been arguing about for years and years myself Lazarus!

    Nobody wants to talk about corruption, nobody wants to talk about the effects of corruption, nobody wants to look at why our system is so wide open to being corrupted or what we can do in future to keep the corrupt out, identify the corrupt early, and minimise the damage the corrupt can do.

    Not everyone is corrupt though, only a small minority are. The point is that any institution, organisation or position which carries with it power, wealth, a position of "respect and automatic deference" in society, and a lack of accountability - or all four - will actively attract the corrupt and the socio/psychopathic. They flock to these jobs as the power money and deference allows them free reign to carry out their activities and the deference and lack of accountability mechanisms means they're unlikely to get caught or punished if they are caught.

    We didn't have an epidemic of rapist priests because religious people with a calling are somehow more prone to kiddy-fiddling. We had an epidemic of rapist priests because the job had huge respect and deference and almost unlimited power and zero checks and balances and was seen as actually being above the civil law of the land - a magnet for scumbag sick weirdos in other words. So they flocked to the priesthood and possibly even outnumbered the genuine religious in there.

    Same with bankers, doctors, politicians.

    We leave the keys in the lock with a bright neon sign pointing to them, and then act all surprised when we get robbed blind by obvious criminals and loons.

    It all comes back to corruption, you are quite right, and our inability to recognise corruption, scams, propaganda, the hard sell and the smooth-talking conman, deliberately pushing our buttons and manipulating our emotional states in order to get us right where these scum want us: dependent and abused. We can't recognise them until it is too late, we don't run checks on people in these positions, the institutions are too slow-moving and incapable of reforming themselves - even if they had the will to reform themselves. But seeing as over decades many of these institutions have become playgrounds for self-serving criminals and sociopaths, where would the impetus for internal reform come from?

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    The Eskimo way of life is 100% not corrupted and incorruptible. The main reason they have been able to this is that they have no leaders. All leadership roles are strictly on an advisory basis, nobody gives orders.

    Maybe we should all take a look back to they way we used to live and reflect on weather we are better off now as a species then we were 1000 or so years ago (medical advances excepted)

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    I don't think that any sensible person is suprised by corruption, just occasionally the extent of it.

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    Lazarus what happened to your Labour avatar? Are you an Independent now?

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    the sad thing is in ireland most of the people would do the same as the ones in power if they had the chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean O'Brian View Post
    Lazarus what happened to your Labour avatar? Are you an Independent now?
    I decided to forego the Labour avatar Sean because I am so sick and tired of trying to explain away policies/decisions that I don't understand. The other reason is people assume I'm speaking on behalf of the Labour Party and most times I'm not. I've never been an obedient member of a herd. And I take a vast interest in those who are striving, in these awful times, to try and build a new political party. I am still a Member of Labour but as I explained before, my soul is my own, and it's not for sale, no matter how unfaithful that makes me appear.

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    Ah, understood. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazarus View Post
    Looking at the threads arguing for and against liberalism, socialism, capitalism etc., they all have exactly the same thing in common with dictatorships.

    They are all corrupt! Because they are run by men, and men are corrupt.

    Look at Religions! Run by men. Corrupted.

    Charities, scandal after scandal. Corrupted.

    Why the hell do we expect anything more? It's all we've ever known and yet for some peculiar reason we still live on in hope that somewhere, someone, some group, will emerge, totally uncorruptable and save us.

    Can anyone name me one system within the annals of history that has not been corrupt?

    So why are we always shocked when it happens? Just a thought.
    Almost correct Lazarus! You should have been 80 kms north for the last six weeks at the latest Corrib Gas Oral Hearing where Shell's solicitor virtually leapt from his "specially sprung green chair" every time the word was mentioned. And.......when it was combined with the other one which began with the letter "b" - well............! And, there was the odd woman amongst them too but maybe they can be forgiven for they knew not what they were doing. They were all foreigners so they were not to know that the Irish Government, Mayo County Council etc..... are utterly incapable of applying any restrictions or monitoring anything so they were telling away at their lies and corporate corruption oblivious to the corrupt consequences that could follow their foolish words.

    Like the Eskimos, there is a bunch of people in Ireland I don't think have been involved in corruption - the Quakers - Society of Friends. I could stand to be corrected but I never heard of them being accused of corrupt practices. And, the similarity to the Eskimos is that they don't have leaders either. Like the Eskimos, all leadership roles are strictly on an advisory basis too and nobody gives orders.
    Do you know, maybe we have hit on something big here?
    BECAUSE SOME OF US DON'T THINK ABOUT FUTURE GENERATIONS, THEY WILL NEVER FORGET US! https://www.vimeo.com/8668733 'Pipe Down' Corrib gas documentary 2009

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