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Thread: Cowen and Lenihan are being extremely disingenuous

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    Default Cowen and Lenihan are being extremely disingenuous

    Another new shibboleth coming into vogue with the FF party is calling for the opposition parties to come up with proposals for addressing our financial problems.

    eg. RT News: Cowen will listen to Opposition proposals
    However, he said he was open to proposals from all parties on the country's path to economic recovery.
    Or, Lenihan challenges opposition to reveal plans - Independent.ie
    FINANCE Minister Brian Lenihan last night threw down the gauntlet to the opposition by challenging them to clearly state how they would tackle the country's problems.
    BUT, what good is this?! At this point in time it is only possible to shuffle around the figures, do the same thing in a number of different ways...

    When it became apparent (some time ago, now) that the property sector was going to collapse and significant losses occur (as per any other property collapse in history, with an eye to the extent that our bubble was blown above historical norms), the only real question was WHO IS GOING TO PAY?

    FF conclusively answered that question back in 2008 with the blanket guarantee and NAMA - ie. the tax payer was going to pay, and they made it so that it was next to impossible (for a variety of reasons) to revert this decision.

    The thing is pretty much DONE - In my opinion, the best thing the opposition parties could do is call for our taxation system to be split into two streams - those taxes going towards public services, and those taxes going towards paying off the bank and property and political gambling and corruption debts.

    At least that would enable us to learn our lesson well - if every month for the next fifteen, twenty years, each working person could see in black and white the exact amount of money he was handing over to pay for the past actions of our political and business dynasty, it might serve to focus the mind and promote a sounder political consciousness in our people.
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    I like the idea of itemising where the income tax goes,rather like a phone bill.It would certainly concentrate the mind wonderfully.You would have the ordinary tax and then this great wodge labelled: Banks and builders surcharge.Why not?

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    They're the government and they were elected to govern, what do they want opposition proposals for.
    Have you heard of Cameron & Clegg appealing to Labour for proposals to cut the deficit?

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    Mammy O'Rourke once again said on Newstalk that all parties should come clear and present their plans with an election thereafter having had access to the figures. Brilliant politics by FF. Level the playing field by having just one agenda i.e. cuts and reform. FF have nothing to lose by playing hard ball as they are heading for a hammering but they'll be able to maximise their vote by proving to the one party staters in the electorate (23-25%+) that they're back in the game by shredding the opposition parties. The aim now is for the least painful way out as regards seat numbers....

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    I would suggest that any new taxes and charges would have to submitted to the People in a referendum for approval before they are introduced.

    We must cripple the ability of future Fianna Fáil governments(if any) to introduce new taxes and charges on their own authority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    I would suggest that any new taxes and charges would have to submitted to the People in a referendum for approval before they are introduced.

    We must cripple the ability of future Fianna Fáil governments(if any) to introduce new taxes and charges on their own authority.
    Nearly right. We actually need to cripple Fianna FAIL full stop!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu View Post
    Nearly right. We actually need to cripple Fianna FAIL full stop!!
    cripple is too good for them. we have to DESTROY Fianna Fail. forever.

    this is the FOURTH time they have brought the country to the brink of ruin:

    1930s trade war, 1950s depression, 1970s/80s recession and now this one.

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    This the proof, they really are admitting that the have destroyed this country, people are now under much pressure, They must be put out of office, They have destroyed the good name of our country,Brian Lenihan went to Brussels a few weeks ago, his plan for Anglo was turned down, He failed to settle the bond auctions, hence the high price, now he has called off bond auctions for the rest of the year Our word is no longer trustworthy, markets do not want know us. He has to produce a four year pan to Mr Rihn the new boss of this country, I wonder will he tell this man in Brussels that he has to get the permisssion of Jackie Healy Rae down in South Kerry before he goes anywhere with his proposals . Jackie will have to get the roads around Kilgarven looked after first.
    Mr Lenihan and Cowen must get out of the way now. They have no mandate to plan anything.
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    Lenihan gets a mention here. Up first
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    The traditional way of publicising policies is in an election manifesto.

    Surely the Minister would welcome such a move?

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