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    Default Time to cut back Defence Forces

    €827,479m this year + €209,000m pensions

    • - scrap most of the army, keep just two battalions for internal security
    • - keep the navy as is
    • - scrap all the silly pretend fighter jets in the Aer Corps


    We don't have the money for this pretend Dad's army any more

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    So how come we can pay 100 Billion to FF bankers, speculators, gamblers and state- cash-for-trash SCAMA ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    €827,479m this year + €209,000m pensions

    • - scrap most of the army, keep just two battalions for internal security
    • - keep the navy as is
    • - scrap all the silly pretend fighter jets in the Aer Corps


    We don't have the money for this pretend Dad's army any more

    cYp
    Incredibly dumb post that shows you have no idea whatsoever what the Permanent Defence Forces actually does.

    BTW there is no such thing as the "aer corps". It is the Air Corps or Aer Chór na hÉireann. It speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge of the PDF and RDF that you don't even know the correct name for one of the Services.
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    The military spend as a % of GDP rates are falling. Rapidly.

    A defence forces with a budget of €600m, where €250m goes on pensions is doomed to failure.

    We don't have an overseas military capability because we simply can't afford it. Even during the boom years, we had to piggy-back off other nation's logistics in order to send soldiers overseas on UN missions.

    The only thing the Defence Forces can hope for is that they have an EU battlegroup, for which the money for standard equipment comes from Brussels.
    Last edited by firefighter; 4th October 2010 at 02:05 AM.

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    Scrap the free state army. The IRA is the only Irish army that fights the enemies of Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtbooker View Post
    There are already countless threads on all of the above. Stick to the subject matter of the OP and keep your whataboutery for the 3rd class debate team.
    What we can afford is exactly on topic
    So other than ad homienm, have you the capacity to make any point ?

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    As a member of the defence forces once told me, if the army gets any smaller and the navy remains the same then the head of the navy will outrank the head of the army, something to do with anymore than seven ships requires an admiral which outranks a general,or something along them lines, politics my dear boy politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    €827,479m this year + €209,000m pensions

    • - scrap most of the army, keep just two battalions for internal security
    • - keep the navy as is
    • - scrap all the silly pretend fighter jets in the Aer Corps


    We don't have the money for this pretend Dad's army any more

    cYp

    When the IMF come in this is what will happen.

    The wage bill in the Irish public sector is unsustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    €827,479m this year + €209,000m pensions

    • - scrap most of the army, keep just two battalions for internal security
    • - keep the navy as is
    • - scrap all the silly pretend fighter jets in the Aer Corps


    We don't have the money for this pretend Dad's army any more

    cYp
    Even as an ex military man myself I have to agree. We have it ar*eways, as usual in this country, by systematically destroying the reserves but retaining a relatively large standing army. Just look at the size of the Canadian and Australian armies which are part of NATO and US defence pacts but are on a proportionate basis much smaller, and Australia is a regional power to boot.

    If policy was done correctly we would have a standing defence force of circa 6000 instead of 9500. But complementing this would be a decently trained and equipped reserve force of 10-15,000. Instead we have a rapidly deteriorating and piss poorly resourced RDF of just 4-5,000.

    I am sure that this policy approach would work out maybe €200-250million cheaper and with enhanced effectiveness where you could give unemployed RDF people short-term contracts to fulfill domestic duties if overseas duties stretched the PDF.

    PS just as an aside the Defence Forces are also substantially over Officered with the Commissioned ranks accounting for almost precisely 1000 of the 9500 personnel. That ratio is much too low. Also, I saw figures that show that the 'hump' seems to have moved from the rank of Captain to Commandant. At the end of 2008 at least there were more Commandant's than Captain's in the PDF. Captain was traditionally known among Commissioned Officers as the 'hump' because it was getting promoted to Commandant determined if you had a long-term career in the military or if you should just retire after your 21 years as your career had stalled at the rank of Captain. They were also no less than 131 Lt-Col's - what the hell do they do all day? Thats no less than 13% of the Commissioned Officer ranks!
    Last edited by gijoe; 4th October 2010 at 02:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonpartyboy View Post
    As a member of the defence forces once told me, if the army gets any smaller and the navy remains the same then the head of the navy will outrank the head of the army, something to do with anymore than seven ships requires an admiral which outranks a general,or something along them lines, politics my dear boy politics.

    Everything you've been told is incorrect.

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