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Thread: Domestic Property Taxes: Water & Sewerage.

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    Default Domestic Property Taxes: Water & Sewerage.

    Now that property taxes are under discussion what should be the basis of same.

    In fairness surely only those who receive a free benefit from the local authority should have that benefit taxed.

    The majority of homes in Ireland receive

    1] Free water.
    2] Free sewage disposal.

    All of these utilities function via public networks paid for by the taxpayer.

    Is it fair that rural taxpayers on private wells and septic tanks should continue to subsidize by their taxes these freeloaders?

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    I have no objection to paying for water. The old argument against it was that we already pay through our taxes but our taxes are heavily supplemented by borrowing so that case doesn't stand up. There should be flat charge until a metering system can be implemented.

    People should also pay for an on-street parking permit if they want to leave their cars on the road outside their houses.

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    so, we already have water - despite what we hear,we already pay high taxes - so we should have more money taken out of dwindling pay packets to fund what we already have. Bend over Ireland, and take a little more up the rear. People with plenty of money telling everyone else they should pay more -- what a grubby little nation we are.
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    We pay 30 billion in tax and the government spend 50 billion. So we either cut 20 billion or raise 20 billion or some combination of the two. Paying our way is not taking it up the rear. It just growing up.

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    and just how do people find this money to pay for the criminals who run our country? Some people of course can pay, others have to find money they don't have and have no hope of finding. We need to stop accepting this ************************************************ and step up - the vast majority of us did not cause the crisis. We are not nearly angry enough yet, but it's coming.
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    Domestic charges would be a regressive form of taxation as it is not based on ability to pay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ingersoll View Post
    so, we already have water - despite what we hear,we already pay high taxes - so we should have more money taken out of dwindling pay packets to fund what we already have. Bend over Ireland, and take a little more up the rear. People with plenty of money telling everyone else they should pay more -- what a grubby little nation we are.
    This is correct. Ireland is only a low tax economy for the wealthy - low corporation tax, low capital gains tax etc and massive tax avoidance schemes. The last 20 years has seen a significant shift from direct taxes, based on ability to pay, to indirect taxes and charges. This has been of enormous benefit to the richest section of society. Now the government want to load even more of the cost of bailing out the crashed economy on those least able to pay, in order to protect their wealthy backers.
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    I paid 11k in levies for services to the local council when we built to tap into the public system. Despite the fact that the services were in place and required no additional work to extend them.

    This would be true of lots of homes that either paid local levies themselves or paid the levy in the inflated price of their home to a builder.

    I wouldn't disagree with a small local service charge, the problem with this government is that it would be ramped up every year until it was something like a 25% tax on your home!

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    Lots of people paid large connection fees for water which is of poor quality and of limited pressure . Any charge taken for water would have to be exclusively used to improve the service. Any money collected in water charges cannot be used outside the county that it is collected in either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    Now that property taxes are under discussion what should be the basis of same.

    In fairness surely only those who receive a free benefit from the local authority should have that benefit taxed.

    The majority of homes in Ireland receive

    1] Free water.
    2] Free sewage disposal.

    All of these utilities function via public networks paid for by the taxpayer.

    Is it fair that rural taxpayers on private wells and septic tanks should continue to subsidize by their taxes these freeloaders?
    No we don't - we are already paying for them through general taxation.

    Any imposition of charges will be DOUBLE TAXATION!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradCat View Post
    We pay 30 billion in tax and the government spend 50 billion. So we either cut 20 billion or raise 20 billion or some combination of the two. Paying our way is not taking it up the rear. It just growing up.
    There are plenty of ways of reducing our overheads without slamming taxes on essential services!

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