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    One of the most surprising aspects of the current crisis is how passive the Irish people are.

    Of the marches in the last two years, only one, of the OAPs, was very well attended. The march held yesterday had only about 1500 people attending, a frankly appalling attendance. Small towns in France got more to their marches yesterday than the main march in Ireland.

    Despite all the claims of mass support for the alleged to have parked his cement mixer in front of the Dáil gates, a whopping five people turned out to support him outside the Criminal Courts of Justice.

    Most marches in Ireland are under-attended and have little impact.

    The issue isn't the damn guarantee etc but a broader issue - why are the Irish so passive?
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    Marches achieve nothing, why waste one's time on them? The last two marches that mattered in Irish politics were Love Ulster and Reclaim the Streets - each, of course, famous for the accompanying violence rather than the aims of the demonstrators.

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    fluoride.

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    You need to get the farmers and the OAPs on board.

    Trouble is, they don't have Facebook and twitter.

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    Hard to fathom. You'd wonder what it would take to get them onto the streets. The French would have torn down the government by now

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    because they are too sensible to waste their time on activities that have no appreciable benefit?

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    I'm alright Jack nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flavirostris View Post
    Hard to fathom. You'd wonder what it would take to get them onto the streets. The French would have torn down the government by now
    It puzzles me certainly. The French rebel at the drop of a hat. It was famously said that the French overthrew King Louis Phillippe in 1848 because "France is bored". It was joked that France had had so many constitutions caused by revolutions that the constitution was kept in the periodical section of libraries.

    Yet nothing seems to get the Irish onto the streets.
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    In the past few years, protesters are regarded as kind of terrorists, the media encourages it and then condemns it, i.e. interviewing someone from ISME to say how many euro was lost to small business due to the protest.

    People are frightened & feel that a protest may hurt someone they don't want to hurt & will not make a whit of difference to the people they want to hurt.

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    Its because of people like you tommy.

    The sympathy for the guy here is comic.

    Lets deal with some facts.

    This nut managed to cause traffic problems all through central Dublin, at a time where businesses are struggling to survive, leading to many of the main bus routes being delayed, people late for work, companies who need staff in at particular times to function having their staff delayed, whole also affecting deliveries in the city. Acceptable? No.

    His antics came close to injuring a guard outside the gate who was doing nothing other than his job, and had to jump out of the way, according to the witnesses. Acceptable? No.

    He tried to attack gardaí who sought to get him down of the rig with a hurley according to witnesses. Is that OK? No.

    To complain about Anglo Irish and its cost the idiot cost the state money at a time when it is broke. Dumb? Yes.

    He was also damn lucky. If anyone tried to drive a large vehicle up to the gates of most parliaments around the world they would have been shot dead before they got near it because they would have had no idea if the vehicle was loaded with explosives. The Oireachtas is always protected, and has been since 1922, by armed military police. He was lucky none of them opened fire.

    What he may have done is curtailed the right to protest of all citizens. Technically it always has been illegal to gather outside the Oireachtas for security reasons. But the law has never been enforced. Just as that nut who attacked the referee in Croke Park meant that no crowds will ever again be allowed onto the pitch there, so this as*hole is likely to at a minimum lead to new and expensive security arrangements being put in place. At worst, it could lead to the enforcement of the ban on people gathering outside the Dáil. Hopefully that won't be the case, but it may well be one of the things that will be considered alongside new security arrangements.

    So all because of some clown, Dublin's ability to function this morning was disrupted, businesses already on a knife-edge lost more money, the safety of guards was endangered, and new and expensive new security arrangements may well be put in place.

    I hope they throw the book at him.
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