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Thread: Zombie Dáil: How the Oireachtas reacts when treated with contempt by government.

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    Default Zombie Dáil: How the Oireachtas reacts when treated with contempt by government.

    It goes along, doesn't it?

    The latest example came just last night. The government knew the latest 'Final - so far' Bank bailout cost. It refused to tell the Dáil. At the time the representatives of us the people were being asked to extend the guarantee. They voted Tá.

    The figure is then given to the media this morning.

    Two points:

    This is patent contempt for parliamentary democracy. In a way, so what - but the second point may have more resonance.

    That is this - when we see the well paid and resourced people in 'Opposition' in Leinster House taking this contempt lying down, giving the process a fake credibility by participating in the charade, and we compare their inaction with Mixer Truck Man we have really only one response. He is right and they are wrong. A response only heightened by the fools in FG who break the silence inside the railings (silence maintainted by a mortarfied FF) to give out about the driver and accuse him of doing things he did not even do. They should have been outside the gates yesterday showing up the guarantee vote for the sham it was.

    When parliamentary democracy is subverted what does history suggest to us happens next?
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    Is there any way we as citizens can bring a case against Cowen for blatant lying to our elected parliament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FakeViking View Post
    Is there any way we as citizens can bring a case against Cowen for blatant lying to our elected parliament?
    We pay the Opposition to deal with his lies.

    Instead they just play the game.

    They'll have fun when they cross the floor in the Spring with the coffers bare and the bailiffs at the door.
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    Default How does the Oireachtas respond when treated with contempt by Govt?

    Baaaaaaaaaaa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    We pay the Opposition to deal with his lies.

    Instead they just play the game.
    What more can they do? FF and the Cabbages have a majority.

    They'll have fun when they cross the floor in the Spring with the coffers bare and the bailiffs at the door.
    The cynic in me believes this is Lenny's intention. He wants the next Govt to have to do the heavy lifting, then he'll raise his head over the parapet again, promising An Boom Nua.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    It goes along, doesn't it?

    The latest example came just last night. The government knew the latest 'Final - so far' Bank bailout cost. It refused to tell the Dáil. At the time the representatives of us the people were being asked to extend the guarantee. They voted Tá.

    The figure is then given to the media this morning.

    Two points:

    This is patent contempt for parliamentary democracy. In a way, so what - but the second point may have more resonance.

    That is this - when we see the well paid and resourced people in 'Opposition' in Leinster House taking this contempt lying down, giving the process a fake credibility by participating in the charade, and we compare their inaction with Mixer Truck Man we have really only one response. He is right and they are wrong. A response only heightened by the fools in FG who break the silence inside the railings (silence maintainted by a mortarfied FF) to give out about the driver and accuse him of doing things he did not even do. They should have been outside the gates yesterday showing up the guarantee vote for the sham it was.

    When parliamentary democracy is subverted what does history suggest to us happens next?


    The government has been showing contempt for both the Oireachtas AND the electorate for the best part of 20 years now. And you are right. The so-called opposition has just rolled over and accepted it. Is it any wonder that FG are polling so badly? I don't think so.

    Equally, the fact that FF are maintaining a 24% showing is not surprising either. Again because the 'opposition' has been content to sit back, absorb the salaries and the perks and effectively do nothing to at least highlight the problems let alone challenge FF, the green quislings and the 'scabs' who cling to their coat-tails.

    We have had Lenihan refusing to answer questions on MI this morning preferring to blame the electorate in their role in the collapse of the economy and the banks who were responsible for reckless lending (no mention at all of FF responsibility). Then the mantra started which is dutifully being spewed out by the rest of FF. It is terrible but at least we have reached 'closure'. And not a meaningful peep from anyone in FG.

    In one 5 minutes (or less) of action, the Truck Man did more to highlight the governments contempt than the opposition achieved in 13 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    When parliamentary democracy is subverted what does history suggest to us happens next?
    We've had 20 years of Partnership which subverted parliamentary democracy and not a peep out of the Dail so why would things change now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Q-Tours View Post
    Baaaaaaaaaaa!
    It is as if they are all suffering from a political equivalent of Battered Spouse Syndrome.

    They have been in a big airless building being abused by FF for most of their adult lives.

    They have been rendered helpless.

    And when Mixer Man arrives - they turn on him!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    We've had 20 years of Partnership which subverted parliamentary democracy and not a peep out of the Dail so why would things change now?
    What can the Opposition do? They can shout and scream as much as they want to but they know that when issues are put to the vote ,every sneaky,snivelling selfserving member of government and Independents will vote the same way .Opposition are powerless to stop it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    We pay the Opposition to deal with his lies.

    Instead they just play the game.
    Precisely what procedures should the opposition be briging to bear?

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