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    Default Irish Examiner lashes Cork FG Gombeenism.

    The Irish Examiner's editorial quite rightly lashes the Cork Branch of FF-lite after a crass display of gobsh1tery that also involved giving two fingers to Cork members of the CoI.


    "VEC exclusion - Fine Gael get it wrong

    Wednesday, September 29, 2010

    THERE are 25 members of the Cork Vocational Education Committee but the rawest gombeenism has been used by Fine Gael to advance their party interests and bring an admirable tradition of inclusion to an end.

    On Monday Cork county councillors voted to exclude the Church of Ireland nominee from the committee to facilitate the election of Tom Sheahan, a FG failure at the last local elections.

    There is a long-standing tradition that two religious nominees are given a place on the committee but Monday’s self-serving and out-of-touch vote by the Fine Gael-dominated council put that aside.

    Already Bishop Paul Colton has called for a review of how legislation, designed to protect minority interests in the country VEC structures, was followed in this instance. If it is shown the rules, or their spirit, were not observed, then the vote must be revisited.

    Though the country aches for change Fine Gael’s actions repeatedly beg the question – are they up to the job? This vote only strengthens that doubt."


    This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Wednesday, September 29, 2010

    At this point in time, Fine Gael must have run out of feet to shoot itself in.
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    Of course, why exactly should religious figures get an automatic place on the VEC? What of the many thousands of nonreligious Corkonians?

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    Sounds fishy , but thats 'local government' for you . If only there was a party that promised to reform it ! Ah well . Perhaps the EU will force us in 2018 or something . God this country is screwed up on so many levels . Its unreal .

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    Florin's answer is why I tend to disagree with members of a political party a lot, they're almost like a cult, defending every decision, it's very few party members who will say 'yeah we messed it up there'. I mean, come on, if FG really had a problem with this idea, they could have found someone completely neutral with no public political interest instead of appointing a party hack. This is FG looking after their own.

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    Hmmm, sounds like FG did make a bit a balls of it but then again I also agree somewhat with Florian. Why should they have places saved for religious figures??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fubsss View Post
    Hmmm, sounds like FG did make a bit a balls of it but then again I also agree somewhat with Florian. Why should they have places saved for religious figures??
    Even if you accept Florian's position, it does not seem as if FG in Cork reached a principled decision to exclude the COI, rather that they decided to get their guy in at whatever cost.

    It hardly seems fair to allow them to cover their actions in a cloak of retrospectively rationalised principles!
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    Quote Originally Posted by florin View Post
    Of course, why exactly should religious figures get an automatic place on the VEC? What of the many thousands of nonreligious Corkonians?
    The legislation establishing the Vocational Education system in the 1920's is seen as the first legislation pertaining to education that allowed for the equal recognition of religions, unlike the primary and secondary schools where there was a strong religious ethos, one way or the other.

    Enda, Simon, Bernard, et al, had better start realising that a majority will only come their way when they are clearly seen as being distinctive to, and above the chicanery of, the MaFFia.

    Otherwise, there is a distinct chance that I will give my precious vote to another party... perhaps even Sinn Féin, such is my disgust at this sort of tomfoolery which has more potential to cause long-lasting harm than the drunken ramblings of the like of P.J. Sheehan.
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    I would prefer to see no involvement of religious in education , but if you have it , minority faiths have to be accommodated. FG acted more like a 1960 to 2000 version of the DUP here. Shame on them a, and even greater shame on Kenny if he does nothing about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket View Post
    Shame on them a, and even greater shame on Kenny if he does nothing about it.
    Why on earth would Kenny do anything about it ? He done nothing about an anti immigrant ,anti EU mayor in Limerick .

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    @ Bleu Poppy
    "Enda, Simon, Bernard, et al, had better start realising that a majority will only come their way when they are clearly seen as being distinctive to, and above the chicanery of, the MaFFia."

    There is creeping evidence of late that FG are suffering under the deluded idea that the outcome of the next GE is a foregone conclusion based on the notion that 'its our turn next.'
    A few more instances of arrogance like this VEC vote and Boy Are They In For The Surprise Of Their Life.

    @ Mushroom
    "The Irish Examiner's editorial quite rightly lashes the Cork Branch of FF-lite after a crass display of gobsh1tery that also involved giving two fingers to Cork members of the CoI."

    I agree 100%
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