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    Was Fianna Fail the 'Republican Party' Celtic Tiger a version of Thatcherism i.e. greed, greed, greed and more greed. And this coming from a party whose leader Ahern claimed " I'm one of the last socialists left in Irish politics ." (December, 2004).
    The clip below hits the spot for me - Warning it has bad language

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec82YUtvZNU"]YouTube - Christy Moore - Goose Green (Taking tea with pinochet)[/ame]

    So was FF's Celtic Tiger an overdose of Thatcherism with bells on ?
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    Did Maggie Thatcher bribe the unions with large pay increases (aka 'benchmarking')?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sondagefaux View Post
    Did Maggie Thatcher bribe the unions with large pay increases (aka 'benchmarking')?
    Good point and no she didn't. But I still say the 'Republican Party' Celtic Tiger a version of Thatcherism i.e. greed, greed, greed and more greed.

    It had the value system of Thatcherism, greed, greed, greed.

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    Marvellous. Just because you don't understand thatcherism or FF motivations doesn't mean the two are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sondagefaux View Post
    Did Maggie Thatcher bribe the unions with large pay increases (aka 'benchmarking')?
    Define "large".

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    No. Thatcher wouldn't have signed-up for Benchmarking in a million years, or a public-sector pay-bill of 12% of GNP. Thatcher drastically downsized the public-sector, while FF presided over an explosion in its size and costs. The Irish Left abuse the T-word like they abuse the R-word for their political-opponents. In fact - since 2002 this has essentially been a Leftwing govt in all but name. She had no time for multiculturalism and PCness, unlike the entire political-Establishment in this country. In truth, we have never had a Thatcherite party in this country (at least not since 2002). God only knows we need one. Labour's surrogates in ICTU presided (through Partnership) over the destruction of our competitiveness and created rip-off Ireland.

    A Thatcherite Ireland would have:

    -Privatised the ESB, Bord Gais, Bord na Mona and the state-airports and broken up their monopolies. Competition would have reduced charges and made Ireland more competitive.
    -Removed the Bar Council/Law Society monopoly on legal-qualifications which would have reduced legal-fees. Look at all the lawyers in the Labour party who don't want that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    No. Thatcher wouldn't have signed-up for Benchmarking in a million years, or a public-sector pay-bill of 12% of GNP. Thatcher drastrically downsized the public-sector, while FF presided over an explosion in its size and costs.
    much as i disgree with your posts FT politically, in this regard you are 100% bang on.

    to compare FF and Thatcher is like comparing chalk with cheese. utterly ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    No. Thatcher wouldn't have signed-up for Benchmarking in a million years, or a public-sector pay-bill of 12% of GNP. Thatcher drastrically downsized the public-sector, while FF presided over an explosion in its size and costs.
    +1.

    Berties FF dealings with the unions was the exact opposite of Thatcher & it is going to be very difficult for future governments to get the unions to back down from their sense of entitlement. Berties legacy is a set of PS unions in particular who believe they set government policy.

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    Comparring Bertonomics to Thatcherism is an insult to Thatcherism.

    Thatcher may have had iced water running through her veins, but in terms of economic development, she is argubly the most successive PM in the post-war era.

    Bertie Ahern was just a knacker from Drumcondra who happend to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goosebump View Post
    Comparring Bertonomics to Thatcherism is an insult to Thatcherism.

    Thatcher may have had iced water running through her veins, but in terms of economic development, she is argubly the most successive PM in the post-war era.

    Bertie Ahern was just a knacker from Drumcondra who happend to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    Yeah whether you like the plan or not, there was a staged, cohesive plan with a goal at its end for Thatcherism. There was no plan for Bertie apart from "get re-elected". Honestly, the only way you could see any commonality is if you don't know much about either time period.
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