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    Here's the National Debt:

    FinanceDublin.com - Irish Debt Clock

    The FF-led government has a wafer-thin majority, there is doubt about the support of a number of non-whip-holding or independent TDs who are backed FF to date...

    Three by-elections are due.

    An election will happen sooner rather than later.

    FF support is sliding downwards, or has bottomed out at an historically low base at best.

    Surely this means the pressure will mount pre-budget to not really do anything about the out-of-control (not manageable) national debt and bank bailouts.

    The resources aren't there to buy the electorate to the extent that was done pre 2007, but the conditions are there to let everything slide and not really tackle the debt.

    We are borrowing money and... who exactly is receiving the money going to Anglo and NIB? (Still haven't that sussed!!)

    So will FF let everything slide and try to be all things to all men, especially those who voted for them and financed them the last time out (over 60s, property developers, the civil service etc.).

    In other words, will FF continue to be FF and continue to throw our money into the Celtic Fire?

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    I'm sure they would love too. Thankfully our financial state won't allow it.
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    No. They'll take a stint in opposition and watch as FG has to call in the IMF.

    Cue a big song and dance from FF about how they never did bankruptcy.


    And the paddy will lap it all up and vote back in the gambler ahern, swear mary, clowen,dempsey, cullen,harney

    Cue another two decades of FF lashing taxpayers money out to their friends while telling the rest of us we have to stump up taxes 'for the country'.

    Well, paddy votes, paddy gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markeys View Post
    No. They'll take a stint in opposition and watch as FG has to call in the IMF.
    But what will they do before they head into opposition?

    Too tough a budget could be the difference between getting 50 seats, or just 35 or 40: turkeys voting for Christmas.

    Too easy a budget and they can get Lenihan to do his barrister's trick of talking a good game while doing the opposite, and maybe get 55-60 seats, and as you imply, sit back and let the opposition deal with the riots.

    Logic says it will be a tame budget which won't upset the FF base - aimed at surviving a massacre but making the country's plight worse.

    An election before the budget would be in the country's interests, but not FF's.

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    Wasn't there some report a while back about how the capital budget was underspent by about a billion in the first half of the year.

    That's a nice little stash for spending to make it look like the economy is temporarily improving.
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    Capital expenditure, which stood at €2.6 billion at the end of August, is down some €1.3 billion or 34 per cent on the year, and is 24 per cent below target. According to the department, this is due to timing and operational issues and it is anticipated capital expenditure will pick up over the remainder of the year.
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    Exchequer tax take to August declines by 9% - The Irish Times - Fri, Sep 03, 2010
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    Those who vote:

    Over 60's: so won't touch state subsidisation of private pensions.

    Those who don't vote:

    Under 25's: so will cut basic social welfare payments and bring those on very low incomes into the tax net and hope for more emigration.

    Those who finance FF:

    The labyrinthine changes to legislation to support these people and their businesses is anyone's guess (FF have nearly 50 years of continuous practice): we'll find out about them later, when the horse has bolted. Perhaps some clause to help a pal sell off his stash of originals by Irish artists tax free here, or a tweak to tender rules which will cough up a couple of 100 million of windfall there.

    Those who don't finance FF:

    Small, innovative businesses: who will get feck all, and will have to board up.

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    Probably. They have always done so before so why would they change their regular election strategy? Even if they know they are going to lose it would have the dual advatages:

    1) that they may retain more seats, and
    2) would bankrupt the country making things very difficult for the incoming government who would then get the blame.

    The #1 FF policy is power at any cost i.e. do whatever it takes to get into or to stay in powet. Everything else is second to this.

    It is also typical FF policy to direct ministers to underspend agreed budgets in anticipation of an election so that they can release this funding at the last minute and also to announce funcing for various projects over and over again whether or not the funding is actually forthcoming.

    Remember that it's only 10 months since Brian Lenihan sucessfully put about the spin that the worse was over. Look where we are now.

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    FF are certainly not trying to buy the election - just wait for the budget!! Now, as for FG, promising no tax increases and no cuts in the capital budget - that's what you'd call trying to buy an election!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johndodger View Post
    Even if they know they are going to lose, it would have the dual advatages:

    1) that they may retain more seats, and
    2) would bankrupt the country making things very difficult for the incoming government who would then get the blame.

    The #1 FF policy is power at any cost i.e. do whatever it takes to get into or to stay in powet. Everything else is second to this.

    It is also typical FF policy to direct ministers to underspend agreed budgets in anticipation of an election so that they can release this funding at the last minute and also to announce funcing for various projects over and over again whether or not the funding is actually forthcoming.
    That's it in a nutshell I reckon. Unless there is an election called in the next couple of months.

    Quote Originally Posted by johndodger View Post
    The #1 FF policy is power at any cost i.e. do whatever it takes to get into or to stay in powet. Everything else is second to this.
    That's why B Ahern still thinks he was "successful". He bankrupted the country, but because FF won 3 elections with him as leader, he was - according to himself - a "success". Mr Ahern, apart from his contribution to the North after Reynolds et al's groundwork, was not a success. He was a failure. He won elections, but failed the country; and by any measure, the welfare of the country and its people is more important than winning elections.

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