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    Folks,

    I've made the decision to pull a thread about the NamaWineLake list from the site.

    There are a few concerns, which primarily center around the likelyhood of comments being made by users on the site that may impugn or defame members of the public who have done nothing wrong in any way.

    The NamaWineLake list is a fine piece of work I'm sure, however, the "associations" column invites suspicion and commentary about people who may have no relationship with Nama. It could therefore lead members of this website to make defamatory remarks about those people "associated".

    Secondly, having loans moved to Nama does not in any way suggest a developer or any other bank debtor has assets that are not performing.

    As we have seen today, even elected members of parliament are being pursued for remarks they've made about developers (who through no fault of their own) have found their loans in Nama.

    We want Politics.ie to be a place for quality, responsible and open debate, however the concern is that users of the site may accidentally be misled by this data, and posting remarks here that contain errors (and it's happened three times in a thread in question) leaves users here wide-open to potential defamatory proceedings.

    The Terms and Conditions that users agree to by their use of Politics.ie are clear, that users are responsible for what they post on Politics.ie. But we need to be responsible here too.

    To that end, whilst we're happy to encourage people to read the blog in question (we're hugely in favor of sources for users to read on) in this situation we have to ask that commentary on the document (including the "associations" or anything else) not be done on Politics.ie.

    It's unfortunate, and it's not something I'm particularly happy with, but we must ensure responsible and open discussion, but also we all as users have obligations surrounding the absolute accuracy of the remarks we make here on Pie.
    Last edited by David Cochrane; 26th September 2010 at 11:08 PM. Reason: Moved one parapgrah up, and fixed typo: typed "make" instead of "may"

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    Thanks for the explanation.

    Very reasonable.

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    I agree as GUILT by Name Association is what was happening on the thread based on what was in that list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by odie1kanobe View Post
    I agree as GUILT by Name Association is what was happening on the thread based on what was in that list.
    Well, to be fair.

    When the Irish people will never get the truth of what happened and justice from their government, gossip and innuendo is all that's left.

    That's not our fault, it's theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dresden8 View Post
    Well, to be fair.

    When the Irish people will never get the truth of what happened and justice from their government, gossip and innuendo is all that's left.

    That's not our fault, it's theirs.
    When you see the association that includes data 5-6 years out of date and associations with other political parties excluded then it pretty much starts to show what its being designed for.

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    Absolutely the correct decision Dave.

    The spreadsheet itself is a fantastic piece of work by NAMAwinelake but the comments that could follow could cause problems for individual users.

    Also want to say that the NAMAwinelake blog is a fantastic resource for anything related to NAMA and the Irish property market. Keep up the great work!

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    The namabound spread sheet is very interesting and a most read for everyone who can then draw their own conclusions about the accuracy or otherwise and any implications. In private of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by odie1kanobe View Post
    When you see the association that includes data 5-6 years out of date and associations with other political parties excluded then it pretty much starts to show what its being designed for.
    Well, to counter that, maybe the truth should be published.

    Don't hold your breath, we don't get the truth, just the bill.

    Again, that's not our fault, it's theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dresden8 View Post
    Well, to counter that, maybe the truth should be published.

    Don't hold your breath, we don't get the truth, just the bill.

    Again, that's not our fault, it's theirs.
    Really so because you had dealings with someone then you are GUILTY by association if in doing something else that person has loans taken over by NAMA.

    Loans taken over by NAMA are not even proof there is a problem.

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    I don't see any problem with David's action; I for one scanned that list and assumed everyone on it was linked to NAMA.

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