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    Default Why have civil service employment numbers failed to decrease in austerity programme?

    Damien Kilberd's article in today's Sunday Times (link unavailable) points out that civil service employment numbers have stabilised in recent years under the austerity programme but with large numbers of civil servants retiring to the gold plated pensions payroll,that is equivalent to an increase in employment numbers.

    This raises the question of why employment numbers haven't decreased in austerity. Retirements must be at least 3% of the workforce,assuming an average 33 year career,while the numbers quitting voluntarily must be at least another 1 to 2% (private sector turnover is probably 10% plus). If the government ban on recruitment was applied,presumably the civil service would have dropped by about 8 to 10% in the past two years.

    My take on these numbers is that public sector unions successfully blackmailed the government into the Croke Park agreement by refusing to cooperate in allowing transfers between departments and other productivity measures that would allow the civil service to function on reduced numbers. What is the evidence following the Croke Park deal that the government now has that cooperation? I await this with bated breath!

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    civil service employment numbers have stabilised in recent years .....that is equivalent to an increase in employment numbers.
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    Has this got anything to do with a new maths curriculum or are you just bad at arithmetic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Has this got anything to do with a new maths curriculum or are you just bad at arithmetic?
    Do you understand the meaning of equivalent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Has this got anything to do with a new maths curriculum or are you just bad at arithmetic?
    Patslatt represents the demographic that finds the crossword in The Sun challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    Do you understand the meaning of equivalent?
    Obviously not. In my world, if a measured value stabilises, it stops increasing or decreasing. I know, the internet is different?

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    "Why have civil service employment numbers failed to decrease in austerity programme?"

    Because they are part of the inner circle of wasters and parasites!
    Fianna Fáilure and the Irish Catholic Church are traitors

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    Pat are you able to type the word pension without putting something like gold plated or diamond encrusted or rolls royce in front of it first? Is it some form of typing tourettes that you suffer from?

    I like the 33 year average. So what your saying is that most public servants dont ever go on to get a full pension?

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    The reason civil service numbers have not fallen is simple. Most organizations take their lead and ethos from the top.
    At the top of the ladder, three TD's have left the Dail. But they will be replaced. So no reduction in numbers at the top. Therefore little reduction at other levels. Also no real reduction in bonanza salaries or expenses at the top.
    What reduction in numbers there has been accounts for more economic illiteracy. The lower paid temporary workers should never have been laid off.
    One fat civil service cat= 5 lower paid civil servants. There are a lot of very fat cats in the wider public service.

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    Another pathetic attempt to divert attention away from the 100 Billion banking and development fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi Vampa View Post
    Another pathetic attempt to divert attention away from the 100 Billion banking and development fraud.
    No it’s an attempt to address the 20 billion a year social partnership fraud,

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