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Thread: Where RTE fail to investigate HSE - Al Jazeera do their job for them

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    Default Where RTE fail to investigate HSE - Al Jazeera do their job for them

    There is such a culture of silence within the Irish Media.

    The child abuse cases took years to be exposed, despite reports to authorities and the press.

    More recently something similar is happening again, HSE failures where children have died.

    The program makes very uncomfortable, even shameful viewing.

    The investigation into the HSE that should have been done by RTE was instead done by Al Jazeerahttp.

    It exposes the recent abuse of children in care,
    the alteration of reports
    The lack of co-operation from the HSE to child care workers

    and how in Ireland no one has been held accountable.

    Secrets and children - PEOPLE AND POWER - Al Jazeera English

    The program exposes the disgraceful treatment of children in care, the alteration of reports and how in Ireland no one has been held accountable.
    They are shifted and moved, and the HSE continues to fail some of the most vulnerable in the state.

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    I don't know what to say in reply ZZ, except the maxim that all journalists are supposed to aspire to, i.e., the best possible version of the truth, has been strangled in Ireland, first by the Church, then by politicians and now by the Law.

    If only we had had some brave journalists willing to do the decent thing. But they are too well part of the establishment to be of any use in the search for, and the highlighting of the evil amongst us.

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    Err... I didn't see anything in that Al Jazeera report that hadn't been on RTE.

    EDIT: The second half seems to be new.
    Last edited by seabhcan; 26th September 2010 at 06:25 PM.

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    Journos here are more worried about ladder climbing and their career than exposing corruption and breaking the status quo.

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    I'm no fan of the HSE, but its unfair to baldly declare X number of children in HSE care died in the same report that discusses abuse by religious orders.

    It wasn't the HSE that killed these kids. Mostly, the HSE failed to prevent these kids killing themselves. Its completely different from what happened in the religious institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    I'm no fan of the HSE, but its unfair to baldly declare X number of children in HSE care died in the same report that discusses abuse by religious orders.

    It wasn't the HSE that killed these kids. Mostly, the HSE failed to prevent these kids killing themselves. Its completely different from what happened in the religious institutions.
    semantics
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiphin View Post
    semantics
    No it isn't.

    If a doctor fails to save the life of a sick person, is that murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    It wasn't the HSE that killed these kids. Mostly, the HSE failed to prevent these kids killing themselves.
    will you not accept that all measures and facilities were not afforded to these kids
    i accept that yes some off them would have fallen off the track
    but some could have been saved from themselves
    but i suppose we have enough scumbags and their kids ?
    one or two less wont matter ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiphin View Post
    will you not accept that all measures and facilities were not afforded to these kids
    i accept that yes some off them would have fallen off the track
    but some could have been saved from themselves
    but i suppose we have enough scumbags and their kids ?
    one or two less wont matter ?
    Of course I accept that, and more and better should have been done. The system needs to be improved and there are currently serious failings.

    However, I think its unfair and misleading of the program to introduce this serious topic in the same breath as the vastly greater crimes done by the religious orders against children in past decades.

    1. The HSE fails to protect all kids from harm.

    2. The religious orders contained criminals who were actively harming children.

    You can't seriously claim that 1 = 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    No it isn't.

    If a doctor fails to save the life of a sick person, is that murder?
    If the death was preventable , quite possibly yes.

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