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    BBC Has this story about Tony Blair's former private secretary.

    Vatican ambassador in warning over Pope visit protests

    While he makes fair comments - I have to wonder if it is his place as a British Civil Servant to make comments like this. He is supposed to be a link between the British Government and the Vatican - not the other way round !

    Blair lifted Catholic ban for 'Our Man In The Vatican'

    In 1917 the Foreign Office issued a memorandum saying that Britain's representative at the Vatican "should not be filled with unreasoning awe of the Pope," and the post had been filled by a non-Catholic until Mr Campbell's appointment.
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    The Rathfrliand native also played down reports that the visit has failed to attract much interest from Irish Catholics.
    "First I would say that this is an ecclesiastical visit to Britain - the Churches of Scotland and England and Wales - so the fact that there is little interest or uptake from Ireland is not new.

    It certainly strikes me that Mr Campbell in the first article sounds more like a vatican spokesman than a British Civil Servant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    BBC Has this story about Tony Blair's former private secretary.

    Vatican ambassador in warning over Pope visit protests

    While he makes fair comments - I have to wonder if it is his place as a British Civil Servant to make comments like this. He is supposed to be a link between the British Government and the Vatican - not the other way round !

    Blair lifted Catholic ban for 'Our Man In The Vatican'



    From the first link:




    It certainly strikes me that Mr Campbell in the first article sounds more like a vatican spokesman than a British Civil Servant.
    It strikes me that he is useing very "Diplomatic"language,its what "Diplomats" are well paid to do Cruimh.

    I agree with his comments,there will be demonstrations and those people have every right to peacefully demonstrate.

    If as expected the Royal visit to Ireland goes ahead next year i plan to demonstrate in a peaceful and dignified way(presumeing ime still around).

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    Quote Originally Posted by idle tim View Post
    It strikes me that he is useing very "Diplomatic"language,its what "Diplomats" are well paid to do Cruimh.

    I agree with his comments,there will be demonstrations and those people have every right to peacefully demonstrate.

    If as expected the Royal visit to Ireland goes ahead next year i plan to demonstrate in a peaceful and dignified way(presumeing ime still around).
    There have always been problems with diplomats becoming too close to regimes and losing their way - Bewley in Germany springs to mind.

    We may agree with his comments - I do - but is it the place of a British civil servant to make political comments of this sort ?

    He comes across as a Vatican Spokesman rather than a representative of the British government - especially in relation to his comments about Irish attendance.

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    Big streeeeeeeeeeetch there Cruimh ? Back to the old Orange " all RC's are disloyal " are we ? Well according to the BBC documentary about him he seemed perfectly normal. Strangely enough.

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    I don't see what the problem is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    There have always been problems with diplomats becoming too close to regimes and losing their way - Bewley in Germany springs to mind.

    We may agree with his comments - I do - but is it the place of a British civil servant to make political comments of this sort ?

    He comes across as a Vatican Spokesman rather than a representative of the British government - especially in relation to his comments about Irish attendance.
    Yeah id have to agree with wes, your clucthing at straws and trying to make something of nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post
    Big streeeeeeeeeeetch there Cruimh ? Back to the old Orange " all RC's are disloyal " are we ? Well according to the BBC documentary about him he seemed perfectly normal. Strangely enough.
    Why ?

    He's a civil service representative of HM government to the Vatican.

    His job isn't to represent the Vatican in the UK - it's the other way round.

    This has nothing to do with orangeism - I doubt if the OO had control of the FO in 1917.

    There does seem to be a conflict of interest/loyalty here.

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    Nothing to do with the OP, but do you think someone will try and 'have a shot' at Il Papa, serious question.
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    There was a documentary on one of the UK channels the other evening about Francis Campbell and his role as UK ambasador to the Vatican. He came across as a decent enough chap!

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    First I would say that this is an ecclesiastical visit to Britain - the Churches of Scotland and England and Wales - so the fact that there is little interest or uptake from Ireland is not new.
    I see your problem Cruimh.

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