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    Is it time to wind up the HSE? The HSE has been a disaster since in's inception. We see where the trolley watch figures have doubled and we are winding up A&Es and hospitals across the country.

    Still the HSE looks to be over budget again this year. A hiring freeze has been in place to no avail. All we are doing is losing trained staff to emigration.

    Do you believe the system would be better managed by bringing back the Regional Health Boards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulster-Lad View Post
    Is it time to wind up the HSE? The HSE has been a disaster since in's inception. We see where the trolley watch figures have doubled and we are winding up A&Es and hospitals across the country.

    Still the HSE looks to be over budget again this year. A hiring freeze has been in place to no avail. All we are doing is losing trained staff to emigration.

    Do you believe the system would be better managed by bringing back the Regional Health Boards?
    It would be better managed by removing all managers.

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    The number of patients lying on trolleys awaiting hospital admission has increaseed 53% over the past three years, the Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation (INMO) said today.
    Number of patients on trolleys 'more than doubles' | BreakingNews.ie

    This goes to further prove the point..
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    First of all I don't work for the HSE or have any interest in it.

    But what is the alternative?

    The health boards were a joke. Parish-pump politicians spoofing and claiming expenses.

    Galway Advertiser Archive

    If you download this you will find the ex-chairman of the WHB, FF's Val Hanley resigning in protest at.....the smoking ban.

    A councillor, property developer, vintner, and non-irish speaking member of údarás na gaeltachta.

    Is that who you want running the health system?

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    Would this work?
    Let us assume that the proposed 8 centers of excellence around the country is a good model. [I personally think that the north west is unfairly treated in these proposals but that is another story!]
    Would it be a good idea to form 8 health boards based on these centers of excellence and responsible for the provision of care within their catchment areas.
    That way each year a report on each area would highlight the success [or otherwise] of each board and the people responsible would have nowhere to hide.
    In addition, scrap the HSE and drastically slim down the Dept of Health.

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    You're not allowed to make civil servants redundant so what's the point? The Labour Court confirmed that they have jobs for life so even if you closed the HSE you'd still have to pay them. The unions run the country lads not the democratically elected govt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeDroit View Post
    You're not allowed to make civil servants redundant so what's the point? The Labour Court confirmed that they have jobs for life so even if you closed the HSE you'd still have to pay them. The unions run the country lads not the democratically elected govt.
    Maybe if the IMF did come in it would be a blessing in the long run if it broke the power of those corrupt unions and other vested interests.
    This whole country needs a good physic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cry freedom View Post
    Would this work?
    Let us assume that the proposed 8 centers of excellence around the country is a good model.
    Would it be a good idea to form 8 health boards based on these centers of excellence and responsible for the provision of care within their catchment areas.
    That way each year a report on each area would highlight the success [or otherwise] of each board and the people responsible would have nowhere to hide.
    Why would you form a health board around a centre of excellence?

    What other country does this?

    The whole point of "centres of excellence" is that they are comparable to other national and international centres; not that they are answerable to local politicians, who more often than not have no training in health and are pushing local vested interests (trying to get health boards to rent certain properties, trying to get certain people employed, trying to get smoking bans lifted to improve pub business etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyfour View Post
    It would be better managed by removing all managers.
    Ah yes that's the solution

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    there is a need to join the dots in our health service that is link GP / out of hours / A&E / hospital services and improve communication between each service area. there is a lot of duplication within the HSE that could be drastically slimmed down, staff could be redeployed within the civil service to fill gaps elsewhere such as the recent surge in social welfare applications. the department of health is more or less defunct and shows no accountability in health so could be abolished / amalgamated into health service.
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