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    Default GOP: Picking Tea Party extremists has backfired

    Any incumbent party is vulnerable in the Mid-Terms, and the Dems are indeed in trouble

    Yet, the Tea Party has been pushing extremists onto the GOP ballot... in an election cycle when moderates were looking for an excuse to cross the aisle

    Consider Nevada, Harry Reid is clearly very unpopular
    "Harry Reid is the most negatively viewed person in this state and there is a hardened opposition to him. I think Sharron Angle could be arrested for a felony tomorrow and still get percent 40 percent of the vote," Ralston[local journalist] told CNN.
    With the GOP now showing regret
    Sharron Angle: 'I'll be a mainstream senator' - CNN.com
    But it's not just politicians who are concerned. In a poll released by the Las Vegas Review Journal on August 27, 71 percent of Nevada Republicans admit they would prefer to see a different Republican candidate take on Reid. Of those Republicans who voted for Angle in the primary election, 66 percent now say they'd like another nominee.
    And indeed Reid having turned an 11 point initial losing position into a 7 point lead between June & July :
    The Fix - Harry Reid takes the lead over Sharron Angle in Nevada

    So has the "Tea Party" backfired terribly ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post

    So has the "Tea Party" backfired terribly ?
    The GOP placards come election day are going to read "No Big government", "reject socialism" and "Stop illegal immigration". The 'big issues' promoted by the Tea Party are at the heart of the GOPs policy dilemma, but the Republicans are not going to win by adopting Democrat policies. In the end though Arizona is a good example. A Republican State legislature creates a law on illegal immigration, and the Obama Federal administration openly condemns it and subjects it to a legal challange, going against State will. The GOP house has its problems, but I think its the 'big ticket issues' that will see the GOP and Tea Party differances dissapear come election day. And lets not forget, the Republcans are the House minority and the US is in a double dip recession - a situation that Tea Party issues aside usually plays well for the opposition party regardless of who it is.

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    Not borne out by the national-polls. Gallup are now the only poll not giving the GOP a lead (12% lead for GOP in Rasmussen which is the most accurate because they only poll likely-voters). It's true Reid is ahead in some polls but most have it within the margin of error. For example, Tea-Partier Rand Paul is ahead 15% in the latest Rasmussen poll. Now the Democrats are just 5% ahead in Robert Byrd's old seat which has been held since the 1940's.
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    Its difficult to say but I think in the more Red states the tea party will do fine. If the Republicans pick Christine O'Donnell in Delaware they are really shooting themselves in the foot. Delaware is a more moderate state where Mike Castle the current congressman is so favored to prevail there that even Joe Bidens son (the current DE Attorney General) decided not to contest the race. Polls for the general election show that Castle would win but that O'Donnell would be easily beaten.

    There are a number of primaries next Tuesday after which most candidates will have been selected. By Wednesday morning the picture will become clearer and it will be easier to judge how the tea party overall will do.

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    Many in the Tea Party are sick and tired of picking RINO’s because they are the lesser of two evils. We've had enough. We would rather support Conservatives or nothing at all. And if that means a Democrat will win because of it, then so be it. We're not going to sell our souls anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goober View Post
    Many in the Tea Party are sick and tired of picking RINOís because they are the lesser of two evils. We've had enough. We would rather support Conservatives or nothing at all. And if that means a Democrat will win because of it, then so be it. We're not going to sell our souls anymore.

    Thats a fair point but how much more of a Republican agenda can you pass with 50 Republican Senators (incl some RINOs) vs. 20 - 30 purist tea party conservatives?

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    Latest indications from polling-averages:





    Senate without "toss-ups":


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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    Any incumbent party is vulnerable in the Mid-Terms, and the Dems are indeed in trouble

    Yet, the Tea Party has been pushing extremists onto the GOP ballot... in an election cycle when moderates were looking for an excuse to cross the aisle

    Consider Nevada, Harry Reid is clearly very unpopular


    With the GOP now showing regret
    Sharron Angle: 'I'll be a mainstream senator' - CNN.com


    And indeed Reid having turned an 11 point initial losing position into a 7 point lead between June & July :
    The Fix - Harry Reid takes the lead over Sharron Angle in Nevada

    So has the "Tea Party" backfired terribly ?

    cYp
    Yes - they were an effort by "astro-turfing" right-wing groups to create their own army of supporters comparable to Organising For America, eventually to get behind a normal, Romney-esque right-wing candidate for President. Unlike Obama luvvies, these ones decided to use their power to influence Congressional primaries, and now we have the spectacle of nutcases snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goober View Post
    Many in the Tea Party are sick and tired of picking RINOís because they are the lesser of two evils. We've had enough. We would rather support Conservatives or nothing at all. And if that means a Democrat will win because of it, then so be it. We're not going to sell our souls anymore.
    If you think that, then you are an extreme right-winger. I presume you understand why this must be the case, given what you have said about being neutral between Democrats and Republicans; you must be either so far left or so far right that you think there is no difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCKY View Post
    Thats a fair point but how much more of a Republican agenda can you pass with 50 Republican Senators (incl some RINOs) vs. 20 - 30 purist tea party conservatives?
    Fiscal Conservatives arenít judged by the color of their state, or the tea they drink. Not interested really in just Tea Party candidates. Social issues take second fiddle to fiscal issues for the most part. Get enough fiscal conservatives who arenít afraid to go up against the party political machines, and you can get quite a bit accomplished.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panopticon View Post
    If you think that, then you are an extreme right-winger. I presume you understand why this must be the case, given what you have said about being neutral between Democrats and Republicans; you must be either so far left or so far right that you think there is no difference.
    Committing my vote for only fiscal Conservatives doesnít make me far right or far left, just fiscally conscious. I had hopes for Blue Dog Democrats, but you donít hear much about them any more do you, because when it came time to vote against policies and legislation that go against fiscal responsibility, they just rolled over under the pressure of Pelosi and Reid. If enough people simply vote their conscious, regardless of a candidateís electability, it will send a message to the party leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goober View Post
    Fiscal Conservatives arenít judged by the color of their state, or the tea they drink. Not interested really in just Tea Party candidates. Social issues take second fiddle to fiscal issues for the most part. Get enough fiscal conservatives who arenít afraid to go up against the party political machines, and you can get quite a bit accomplished.



    Committing my vote for only fiscal Conservatives doesnít make me far right or far left, just fiscally conscious. I had hopes for Blue Dog Democrats, but you donít hear much about them any more do you, because when it came time to vote against policies and legislation that go against fiscal responsibility, they just rolled over under the pressure of Pelosi and Reid. If enough people simply vote their conscious, regardless of a candidateís electability, it will send a message to the party leaders.

    OK Goober, it appears ODonnell has won the republican primary in Delaware and thus the Democrats can hold the seat in November. Fiscal conservatives are hard to come by in Blue States.

    This was the same ODonnell soundly beaten by Biden 2 years ago. I don't know why they think she could win again.

    This will really dent Republicans slim hopes of taking back the Senate.

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