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    What are the thoughts about the chances of success of a democratic revolution.

    Could a movement begin to radically change our political system with the following terms
    1. A new Government for a fixed term of 5 years.
    2. The Dail Only, no Seanad
    3. The Taoiseach and Cabinet elected directly by the electorate, no opposition, no TD's, no senators.
    4. The Programme for Government set out in broad terms for the five year term and voted on by the electorate.
    5. This may require a vote to reneige on our sovereign debt relating to Anglo Irish. Let those Bond Holders Whistle. We need the money more than them.Use it to redevelope our economy and our competitiveness internationally.
    6. Determine to raise taxes so as to build a soceity rather than an economy.
    7. Maximise the salaries for Bankers, HSE Consultants, College Lectures, etc to be say 100k, or have some climbing scale of taxes to say 80% for anything above 200k.
    8.Elect a president to listen to the people and give him/her power to turf out any of our Cabinet that is not performing or behaving as they should.


    The current shower on either side of the Dail are worse than each other, the man in the street is being driven to death to support those on the right side of the deal. How about we all get on the wrong side of the deal for a while, 5 years, reform under a democratic banner . How would one kick start it off. Who would lead it, and get the role of President. A Peter Sutherland figure, Mary Robinson, Ray McSharry or a total unknown, but somebody that can bring reform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cormac O Conachur View Post
    What are the thoughts about the chances of success of a democratic revolution.

    Could a movement begin to radically change our political system with the following terms
    1. A new Government for a fixed term of 5 years.
    2. The Dail Only, no Seanad
    3. The Taoiseach and Cabinet elected directly by the electorate, no opposition, no TD's, no senators.
    4. The Programme for Government set out in broad terms for the five year term and voted on by the electorate.
    5. This may require a vote to reneige on our sovereign debt relating to Anglo Irish. Let those Bond Holders Whistle. We need the money more than them.Use it to redevelope our economy and our competitiveness internationally.
    6. Determine to raise taxes so as to build a soceity rather than an economy.
    7. Maximise the salaries for Bankers, HSE Consultants, College Lectures, etc to be say 100k, or have some climbing scale of taxes to say 80% for anything above 200k.
    8.Elect a president to listen to the people and give him/her power to turf out any of our Cabinet that is not performing or behaving as they should.


    The current shower on either side of the Dail are worse than each other, the man in the street is being driven to death to support those on the right side of the deal. How about we all get on the wrong side of the deal for a while, 5 years, reform under a democratic banner . How would one kick start it off. Who would lead it, and get the role of President. A Peter Sutherland figure, Mary Robinson, Ray McSharry or a total unknown, but somebody that can bring reform.
    You need either this, or this. I can't quite make out.

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    The system needs changing. No question. FF are not the problem - they are just the ultimate manifestation of our system.
    Bert was the ultimate personification of FF.
    I hope that fker dies in a fire.
    Hopefully I will be there to witness it first hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringjack View Post
    You need either this, or this. I can't quite make out.
    Another keybored revolutionary

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    Quote Originally Posted by odie1kanobe View Post
    Another keybored revolutionary
    That will give FF an awful fright all right

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    Quote Originally Posted by An Gilladaker View Post
    That will give FF an awful fright all right
    Will someone dig up Digout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cormac O Conachur View Post
    What are the thoughts about the chances of success of a democratic revolution.

    Could a movement begin to radically change our political system with the following terms
    1. A new Government for a fixed term of 5 years.
    2. The Dail Only, no Seanad
    3. The Taoiseach and Cabinet elected directly by the electorate, no opposition, no TD's, no senators.
    4. The Programme for Government set out in broad terms for the five year term and voted on by the electorate.
    5. This may require a vote to reneige on our sovereign debt relating to Anglo Irish. Let those Bond Holders Whistle. We need the money more than them.Use it to redevelope our economy and our competitiveness internationally.
    6. Determine to raise taxes so as to build a soceity rather than an economy.
    7. Maximise the salaries for Bankers, HSE Consultants, College Lectures, etc to be say 100k, or have some climbing scale of taxes to say 80% for anything above 200k.
    8.Elect a president to listen to the people and give him/her power to turf out any of our Cabinet that is not performing or behaving as they should.


    The current shower on either side of the Dail are worse than each other, the man in the street is being driven to death to support those on the right side of the deal. How about we all get on the wrong side of the deal for a while, 5 years, reform under a democratic banner . How would one kick start it off. Who would lead it, and get the role of President. A Peter Sutherland figure, Mary Robinson, Ray McSharry or a total unknown, but somebody that can bring reform.


    What you are asking for there is reform, not revolution. Though no. 6 has a revolutionary intent, i.e. to overthrow the idea that we humans exist for the sake of the economy, rather than vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    Though no. 6 has a revolutionary intent, i.e. to overthrow the idea that we humans exist for the sake of the economy, rather than vice versa.
    Don't let LeDroit see number 6 he'll get cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deiseguy View Post
    Don't let LeDroit see number 6 he'll get cross.
    Typical leftie fantasy fiction. Do you want to raise tax rates or raise tax revenues because the mistake most lefties make is they think if they raise rates they raise revenue? It works immediately but then the Market reacts. Tax avoidance and evasion increase. The black market increases and overall economic activity decreases. All of these factors mean your revenue drops. That's when the second wave of leftie stupidity hits and they raise rates again. The revenue keeps dropping. So why do lefties do it? Well, it's two things; some are too stupid to realise that it doesn't work and some are too proud. They just won't accept that lower rates result in higher yields.

    Check out the Laffer Curve. Google it and join me on the dark side.

    As for the rest of your envy manifesto, you better seal the Borders to keep people IN because any ambitious people are gonna leggit. It's no accident that commie countries always need to stop their people from leaving.
    "A govt big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have" Thomas Jefferson

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    "a democratic revolution"

    Is that not an oxymoron?
    Britain operated death squads - ''97% of the Loyalists I interviewed were working directly for the State.'' - Nuala O'Loan. #FreeAhedTamimi

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