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    Thumbs down Hezzbollah try to evade Al Hariri murder blame.

    Its been years in the coming but the probe into the assasination Lebanons Rafik al Hariri is believed to be close to calling for the arrest of several Hezzbollah members for the murder.

    link here:
    'UN court to implicate Hezbollah' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    To date Hezzbollah has tried to deflect blame by claiming, before the UN panel released its findings, that rouge Hezzbollah members killed Al-Hariri. Nasrallah described them as "undisciplined members". Now Nasrallah has gone further in trying to deflect blame. Isreal (suprise suprise) is supposed to be responsible according to the Hezzbollah head:

    Israel implicated over Hariri death - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    Nasrallah and Hezzbollah have botched this one. Denied all culpability in the killing of their chief Lebanese political rival, thrown their own members to the wolves, and now by extension labelled their own "undisciplined members" as Israeli spies. Nasrallah has gotten (with threats obviously) current PM Hariri to accept that if Hezzbollah members are found responsbile, then their actions are not associated to Hezzbollah(?). This because as Nasrallah put it, the investigation has "pushed Lebanon into a sensitive phase", a phase one assumes where Hezzbollah are prepared to go further with violence if held accountable for their murder of the Lebanese PM.

    Nasrallah has accused Israel of trying to drive a wedge between Hezzbollah and the Beirut government. A wedge of some sort between the Lebanese government and the gun being held to their head by Hezzbollah would probably be most welcome, but there is no Israel to blame now. Not this time. Unless Nasrallah has serious proof which he claims to have, but has till now not bothered shwoing. Globally Hezzbollah with it is sponsors are to stand accused of political murder at a time when the factions in Lebanon were at peace.

    The recent conferance in Lebanon saw Syria and Saudi Arabia attend. Two backers of different factions in Lebanon arrive for a conferance with the Lebanese government. Hezzbollah was not invited, neither was Iran. Syria it seems is at a crossroads and have already chosen its path. Interesting times ahead, just hope they are peaceful.

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    I always suspected Mossad was involved in the murder of the Lebanese president, after he was murdered the Americans and the Isrealis blamed the Syrians which led to the withdrawal of the Syrian military from Lebanon. This was a key strategic objective of the Isrealis, the UN investigation blamed the Syrians too, possibly due to US pressure, but it was not in Syrias interest to murderthe president, while the Isrealis had the most to gain a disjointed bickering opposition as opposed to a united opposition in Lebannon suits them.

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    Best Essay on the story by far is written here at SOTT.net.

    Mossad Murders Former Lebanese PM in Carbon Copy of 1979 Assassination -- Signs of the Times News


    Mossad killed Hariri.
    Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
    Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But Conscience asks the question - is it right?
    And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;but one must take it simply because it is right. -MLK

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    A confident man! I'm surprised the UN tribunal hasn't been in touch with you. Then again, do we need the tribunal at all, since its all so open and shut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier View Post
    Best Essay on the story by far is written here at SOTT.net.

    Mossad Murders Former Lebanese PM in Carbon Copy of 1979 Assassination -- Signs of the Times News


    Mossad killed Hariri.
    "What other reason can there be for the fact that Iran and Syria were the only two countries to even hint at Israel as being behind the murder of Rafik Hariri on Valentine's day 2005?

    Indeed, one of the strongest indications of an Israeli involvement in the murder of Hariri is the fact that not ONE mainstream news source is even mentioning the possibility of Israeli involvement
    ..."

    Sweet Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bayern View Post
    I always suspected Mossad was involved in the murder of the Lebanese president, after he was murdered the Americans and the Isrealis blamed the Syrians which led to the withdrawal of the Syrian military from Lebanon. This was a key strategic objective of the Isrealis, the UN investigation blamed the Syrians too, possibly due to US pressure, but it was not in Syrias interest to murderthe president, while the Isrealis had the most to gain a disjointed bickering opposition as opposed to a united opposition in Lebannon suits them.
    So suspician of Syrias involvement was alone enough to get Syria to end its three decade occupation of Lebanon? Hardly credable. Given the ease with which they accepted the demand to withdraw there is a question mark over how much Syria itself knew about the killing of Rafik al Hariri. And lets be serious, if there was credable evidence that either Hezzbollah or Syria had that pointed to Isreal, they would have presented it without a seconds delay. As it is its taken 5 years for Hezzbollah to come up with some dateless ariel footage they claim was Israeli of the scene near Hariris assasination and Syria has kept its trap shut and still does.

    I agree with you, it was not in Syrias interests to see Hariri killed. But no one is blaming Syria. Their will to extracate themselves from potential implication by association probably had alot to do with the rapidity of their withdrawel from Lebanon. They did'ent even clean up the mass graves behind their security centres. Even back then it seemed clear that Syria was signalling to Hezzbollah that in this they were on their own. The assasination of Rafik Al Hariri destroyed Syrias influence in Lebanon, something it is now rebuilding without Hezzbollahs involvement.

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    Isn't Israels involvement supposed to hinge on the presence in Lebanons telephone system of Mossad agents ? Supposedly the bomb requires some sophisticated timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bayern View Post
    I always suspected Mossad was involved in the murder of the Lebanese president, after he was murdered the Americans and the Isrealis blamed the Syrians which led to the withdrawal of the Syrian military from Lebanon. This was a key strategic objective of the Isrealis, the UN investigation blamed the Syrians too, possibly due to US pressure, but it was not in Syrias interest to murderthe president, while the Isrealis had the most to gain a disjointed bickering opposition as opposed to a united opposition in Lebannon suits them.
    oh ffs. And the Jews stole my bike. And come to think of it, where did the remote go for the tv? I bet it was those pesky...
    Sometimes it's not the quiet ones you have to watch. It's the guy waving around the chainsaw shouting god is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
    oh ffs. And the Jews stole my bike. And come to think of it, where did the remote go for the tv? I bet it was those pesky...
    Sometimes it's not the quiet ones you have to watch. It's the guy waving around the chainsaw shouting god is great.
    Not saying its carved in stone or anything but for what it's worth...
    Rannie Amiri: The Hariri Assassination

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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post
    Not saying its carved in stone or anything but for what it's worth...
    Rannie Amiri: The Hariri Assassination
    Much of it seems to be constructed on Nasrallahs say so and the premise that Israel must be somehow involved. On the face of it its possible to say that Hezzbollah have not gained anything from the assasination, but that does not preclude the possibility they would gain something.

    With the pro-Syrian government falling after the assasination of al Hariri and Syrias withdrawel, Hezzbollah became a major political power base in Lebanon surplanting Syria. So nothing gained? Quite alot gained in fact and no Syria having a final say any more.

    Its also easy to point out that Hezzbollah had nothing to gain from igniting a war with Israel in 2005; yet they did just that and as an extension of them becoming a major political one they also become one answerable to no one; evidenced by the fact they are still an armed group despite the fact Lebanon has a standing army and Hezzbollah agreed to disarm. Hezzbollah, not Syria, is a major pole in Lebanons multi-party state, weilding power out of all proportion to its electoral support. So much so that Nassrallah can get the current PM to agree that Hezzbollah will not be held accountable for the murder of Rafik Al Hariri even if its fighters are responsible for such a well planned and concealed act of assasination.

    We should not also forget that this investigation started in Syria and is expected to end with the indictment of Hezzbollah members. In all that is about to unfold Syrian intelligence could be the main evidence against Hezzbollah, hence the recent bridge building excercise between Hariri and Syrias' Assad recently.

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