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    Would a system of “Direct Democracy”, as used in Switzerland, be good for, or indeed advisable, for Ireland? Would we use it wisely? If so what laws would people like to see introduced or abolished?

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    Not at the present time. It is a worthy and important aspiration though... But until the mass of our people are capable of ruling themselves it would be a bad idea. As can be clearly seen from many of the contributions to this site and others, from our mainstream newspapers, and from shows like Joe Duffy, what would happen would be a very bad case of, as Oscar Wilde put it, "The bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people."
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    Direct democracy is the logical progression if we are to advance from a primative form of society to a more advanced race. We don't need to introduce it all at once, the first step that ought to be implemented at our earliest possible opportunity, should be a mechanism by which the government (or individuals within the government)can be recalled if sufficient number of people decide that they are no longer fulfilling their mandate.

    This is a mechanism that some other countries take for granted and is a minimum (but not sufficient) requirement for a genuine functioning democracy.
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    Nah the stupid clowns would be FF all the way most likely...

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    Never understimate the stupidity of people hwne they are in a big crowd

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    Never - alls we need is some strict regulation of the dail, severe penalties for wrong doing and a benchmarking of our elected officials take home pay either by referendum or by performance monitoring...
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    Quote Originally Posted by johndodger View Post
    Would a system of “Direct Democracy”, as used in Switzerland, be good for, or indeed advisable, for Ireland? Would we use it wisely? If so what laws would people like to see introduced or abolished?
    'or indeed be advisable',

    such timidity

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    It might work, but it'd be tricky in practice. Perhaps some sort of technological innovation might allow everyone to vote on everything. Maybe some sort of electronic voting machine ...

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    We need to learn to walk before we can run... I think a precursory first step would be to make good on our present system of representation. I mean, if we can't even get 166 good representatives, capable and allowed a remit to draw on their own intelligence, experience, and broad and (hopefully) inspirational vision, to articulate and fight for a genuine public good... then, what hope is there for the mass of the whole people? Even thus, we are still talking about SERIOUS reform and more than likely the end of the existing party political system as it stands imo.
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    Direct Democracy Ireland are proposing what amounts to 'deliberative democracy' for Ireland, at least at the start, which entails introducing two new concepts: citizens can initiate a referendum, and can recall elected officials:

    "The goal of Direct Democracy Ireland organisation is to create a political party that will field candidates, in all constituencies, in the next General Election. The aim of Direct Democracy Ireland is to introduce a system of direct democracy in Ireland, which will entail, at a minimum, the right of the people to:

    1. Initiative – Any citizen can collect a certain number of signatures, (a certain % of the population), to call a referendum.

    2. Referendum – The referendum will empower the people to negate Ministerial decisions, or Government legislation, such as NAMA.

    3. Recall – A mechanism will also be introduced whereby politicians can be ‘fired’ if they are not performing their job to the satisfaction of the electorate.
    Direct Democracy Ireland Blog Archive Welcome to Direct Democracy Ireland (DDI)

    I think these are very workable proposals.

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