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    Thumbs down The Greens strike again! Electricity prices to rise this WINTER!

    Electricity prices set to rise | BreakingNews.ie

    This is ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous.

    This is one of the main high costs associated with doing business in this country. Not the fecking minimum wage. So this move will further put people off from investing in businesses here in Ireland, and possibly contribute to further job losses.

    At a time when peoples wages have been slashed, benefits cut, many out of work, energy costs have been given the go ahead to RISE?

    For what? ESB made something like 0.5 billion profit last year.

    I no longer think this Government are incompetent, or stupid. I think they have an agenda that is incompatible with the citizens best interests. If anyone EVER votes for the Greens again, I will be surprised.

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    But, the welfare of stags and polar bears come first.....

    Cue Eco fascists spitting venom on this thread ........3.......2......1
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    The average pay and overtime for the ESB's 7,783 employees in 2009 was €75,500, the annual report shows.
    ESB chief executive Padraig McManus was paid more than €750,000 last year, making him the highest-paid boss of a state-owned company.
    The ESB's annual report says its profits in 2009 more than doubled to €580m. The surge in profits was because of gains made on the sale of some of its power stations to Spanish company Endessa. Its turnover dropped 11% to €3bn as customers fled to Bord Gáis, which is undercutting the ESB's electricity prices.
    Sunday Tribune August 1st 2010: ESB boss's salary surged to €750k in 2009 despite cut

    In a uniquely Irish Semi-State solution to losing market share, instead of a radical review of your operations and implementing cost-cutting exercises, you instead increase your prices without trimming the fat. Geniuses!
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    Was it a Twilight Zone episode from the 1950s that some guy went into the future of the 21st century and the world was being run by idiots and everything was being done arseways?

    Has to be one of the most prophetic pieces of fiction of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsAnneThrope View Post
    Sunday Tribune August 1st 2010: ESB boss's salary surged to €750k in 2009 despite cut

    In a uniquely Irish Semi-State solution to losing market share, instead of a radical review of your operations and implementing cost-cutting exercises, you instead increase your prices without trimming the fat. Geniuses!
    Except this is an across the board measure, so all of them will benefit from a price increase.

    Our Govt have a funny understanding of the concept of competition in the market place.

    It seems to involve 3 State owned Companies regulated by the State.

    Very FF.

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    When viewing the ESB as an organisation
    the Peter Principle definitely holds true.
    They are pathetically hopeless.
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    Well as I keep saying, the public signed up to the Lisbon Treaty and would also have signed the Copenhagen Treaty if it came about. But the public didn't realise that when you're expected to cut emissions by 80% by 2050, it means in part, economic destruction of the country. The Govt needs money to be set aside to fund these "Green Energy" investments if we are to cut CO2 by 80%. Where else is the money to come from only Carbon Taxes?

    If they can't get road tolls they'll get it from your ESB bill.

    Up yours the people of Ireland, you are getting what you deserve for voting yes to Lisbon.
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    In a uniquely Irish Semi-State solution to losing market share, instead of a radical review of your operations and implementing cost-cutting exercises, you instead increase your prices without trimming the fat. Geniuses!
    You do realise that ESB does not control its own domestic prices and that they are set by the Commission for Energy Regulation. The policy is to push prices higher so that companies like Airtricity and Bord Gais enter the market to bring prices back down i.e competition. As someone said to be a while back ESB was the only Irish company to DOWNSIZE during the celtic tiger years. It has been on the public record for years that ESB must get below 60% market share on the island so ESB losing market share is government policy.

    The only market segment that ESB still have >60% market share is domestic accounts. The view is that ESB Customer Supply should be <60% by next March and then ESB will be allowed set its own prices. Now the thing is ESB cannot undercut the competition too much as one it breaks the 60% mark the handcuffs are put back on.

    The Breaking News story has incredibly little information in it. What is happening is domestic rates are going to rise and business rates are going to fall but they failed to mention that detail.

    Finally have a look around for the news stories from about 3 years ago when the ESB said they could cut electricity prices by 17% due to the drop in international fuel prices but the competition kicked up a fuss and said no. The regulator only cut prices by 10%. Its on the public record.

    Yes I do work for the ESB, yes the average age is probably too high due to successive governments not letting ESB management tackle the unions however a 10% cut in wage costs would result in <1% reduction in bills. I am open to a pay cut in the organisation but like many other issues on the island its the obvious media attention grabbing proposal rather than a proper thought out solution.

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    I know it won't do much to stop the ill-informed hysteria we can expect on this thread, but I'll just put on the record a couple of useful facts.

    The CER has a formula for calculating electricity prices. Every year the electricity producers send in a report of their costs using the CER formula format. From this the CER calculates the prices for the coming year.

    The net result is that the ESB is forced to charge more for its electricity that necessary because the privateers would not be able to "compete" if they had to sell their electricity at the prices ESB can sell for.

    I'm not aware whether the report in the OP is accurate, but it would strike me that higher finance costs for the privateers may be a factor in any price increase.


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