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    Former editor of the Irish Times and champagne socialist - well he owns a vineyard - took a swipe at his old employers in todays Irish Times letters.
    Wilfully misinterpreting the remarks of Sgt Coyne of the Royal Irish, Martin implies that standards have dropped since he quit. Really ?
    Why is a remark suggesting that Irish soldiers may be frustrated at a lack of UN duties taken to be denigration and why should its inclusion in an Irish Times article on BA recruiting be seen as a lowering of standards ? Ireland viewed from the South of France !!


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    Isn't the joy of a proper newspaper that the editor permits somebody to publish an opinion piece, and then freely publishes letters from those with a different point of view.

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    Former editor of the Irish Times and champagne socialist - well he owns a vineyard - took a swipe at his old employers in todays Irish Times letters.
    Wilfully misinterpreting the remarks of Sgt Coyne of the Royal Irish, Martin implies that standards have dropped since he quit. Really ?
    Why is a remark suggesting that Irish soldiers may be frustrated at a lack of UN duties taken to be denigration and why should its inclusion in an Irish Times article on BA recruiting be seen as a lowering of standards ? Ireland viewed from the South of France !!
    Why do you say he was formerly an editor of the paper? Is the rest of your post as accurate as that?

    There were three letters on the topic, each one critical of the paper. None in support. That in itself was interesting.
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    Think Martin has a point.

    And the standards at the IT have been on a downward slope for a while now. To me, it has a more tabloid mentality every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    Why do you say he was formerly an editor of the paper? Is the rest of your post as accurate as that?
    Seamus Martin used to be the International Editor of the Irish Times. He is Diarmuid Martin's brother.

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    Don't think they make champagne in the south either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post
    Former editor of the Irish Times and champagne socialist - well he owns a vineyard - took a swipe at his old employers in todays Irish Times letters.
    Wilfully misinterpreting the remarks of Sgt Coyne of the Royal Irish, Martin implies that standards have dropped since he quit. Really ?
    Why is a remark suggesting that Irish soldiers may be frustrated at a lack of UN duties taken to be denigration and why should its inclusion in an Irish Times article on BA recruiting be seen as a lowering of standards ? Ireland viewed from the South of France !!
    I don't agree with the major premise of Martin's argument, i.e. that standards have dropped at the IT, but the Squaddie's remarks were somewhat denigrating. They were definitely bone-headed.

    He referred to Irish soldiers as "fat", "lazy" and in some instances overpaid, all the while in the service of a foreign power, and one with a very particular reputation in relation to this country at that.

    Martin clearly has other reasons for writing to the Times, but if it wasn't him, it'd surely be someone else. Coyne's remarks were in bad taste, to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scipio View Post
    Coyne's remarks were in bad taste, to say the least.
    But should they be silenced? As I said, surely the joy of a proper newspaper is, in part, the ability to publish a controversial opinion and then allow other contributors to the newspaper and readers, through the letters pages, to make their own judgment on the piece. The article did not appear as an editorial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnfás View Post
    But should they be silenced? As I said, surely the joy of a proper newspaper is, in part, the ability to publish a controversial opinion and then allow other contributors to the newspaper and readers, through the letters pages, to make their own judgment on the piece. The article did not appear as an editorial.
    I agree, and as I said, Martin probably has other motives for writing that letter. I'm sure most Irish people reading the piece would share his aversion at Coyne's comments though.

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    The pro-Brit IT publishing desparaging remarks about the Irish Army made by a British Army solider albeit an irish one, well i never.
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