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    Irelands prison population and non-nationals an analysis

    9,711 persons were sent to prison in 2007 compared to 9,700 in 2006.
    Of those committed 6,447 were Irish nationals or 66.4% of the total 9,711, which is a decrease of 352 on the
    corresponding 2006 figure of 6,799. Almost one third of persons committed in 2007 were non–Irish nationals.
    Other EU nationals (excluding Ireland) accounted for 1,354 (13.9%) of persons committed.
    Other European nationals accounted for 311 (3.2%), African nationals for 612 (6.3%), Asian nationals for 611 (6.3%) and
    Central/South American nationals accounted for 303 (3.1%)

    Prison commitals (2007 report)
    [1]
    Irish ******* 6,447 66.4%
    All non-nationals 3264 33.6%
    EU ********* 1126 11.6%
    African ****** 612 6.3%
    Asian ******* 611 6.3%
    other european 311 3.2%
    latin American * 303 3.1%
    UK **********228 2.3%
    North American 18 .02%


    General population by nationality
    (2006 census) [2]
    Irish 3,706,683
    All non-nationals 419,733
    EU 163227
    UK 112,548
    Asian 46952
    African 35326
    Other european 24425
    North American 14775
    Latin American 6249

    Ratio of Prison commital to General population

    Latin American 0.04849
    African ***** 0.0173
    Asian ****** 0.0130
    other european 0.0127
    All non-nationals 0.0077
    EU ********* 0.006898
    UK ********* 0.002
    Irish ******** 0.00174
    North American 0.0012

    So in summary based on Prison commitals North Americans are the most law biding and South Americans commit the most crime.
    [1] Statistics-Home (click on 2007 report
    [2] CSO - Statistics: Persons usually resident and present in the State on Census Night, classified by nationality and age group

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    Quote Originally Posted by Éireann go Brách View Post
    So in summary based on Prison commitals North Americans are the most law biding and South Americans commit the most crime.
    How it is possible if
    African ****** 612 6.3%
    latin American * 303 3.1%

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    This really worries me. 1 in 3 of our prisoners are not originally from Ireland. We are taking care of criminals who are the product of other countries. One nation births the mess and Ireland cleans it up.

    I think we need to look at deporting many of these thugs back to where they came from and banning them from every entering Ireland again. Obviously there are legal issues surrounding EU member states however they only make up 11.6% of the population.

    Over 20% of the prison population is NOT from the EU. Why not deport ALL these criminals??? Our prisons are already over bed capacity and this is having serious effects on our existing prisoners. The case where 7 prisoners were in the one cell springs to my mind, where one prisoner was beaten to death! Prisoners should be in separate cells but this can't happen if we have to look after foreign criminals also.

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    I don't think this information is actually that useful. The make-up of each of the groups would have a lot to do with the crime rates. Most crimes are committed by young males. The African and Latin American communities presumably don't have many 80 year old grannies to balance out the youngsters committing the crimes. The lowest crime rates are those ones which would have an elderly population here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morte View Post
    I don't think this information is actually that useful. The make-up of each of the groups would have a lot to do with the crime rates. Most crimes are committed by young males. The African and Latin American communities presumably don't have many 80 year old grannies to balance out the youngsters committing the crimes. The lowest crime rates are those ones which would have an elderly population here.
    That's actually a really good point that hadn't occurred to me. Thanks for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morte View Post
    I don't think this information is actually that useful. The make-up of each of the groups would have a lot to do with the crime rates. Most crimes are committed by young males. The African and Latin American communities presumably don't have many 80 year old grannies to balance out the youngsters committing the crimes. The lowest crime rates are those ones which would have an elderly population here.

    AGE

    There are several factors why someone would commit crime and age is a key one.
    and as an immigrant population is older than a native population then
    of course the ratio for them will be higher but and its a big BUT
    if we look at the stats lets pick the Africans for example the ratio is 0.0173 to 0.00174
    thats a factor of 10. i.e. Africans are being committed to prison at 10 times the rate Irish people
    That cannot be explained by age.
    If the difference was only two or three times then age might explain it but not 10 times
    Also lets look at the age of the prison population (from link in OP)
    approx
    0-21 = 900
    21-25 =1400
    25-30 = 1300
    30-40 =1600
    40-50 = 700
    50+ = 400

    Also lets look at age pyramid profile of thesome of the populations at the CSO site here
    http://www.cso.ie/releasespublicatio...lscomplete.pdf

    average age
    31 us
    27 nigerian
    29 french
    27 chinese
    38 uk
    26 pole


    These stats are a damning indictment of the utter failure of your government immigration and law and order policy's

    Does anyone know why the latin american figure is so high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Éireann go Brách View Post

    AGE

    There are several factors why someone would commit crime and age is a key one.
    and as an immigrant population is older than a native population then
    of course the ratio for them will be higher but and its a big BUT
    if we look at the stats lets pick the Africans for example the ratio is 0.0173 to 0.00174
    thats a factor of 10. i.e. Africans are being committed to prison at 10 times the rate Irish people
    That cannot be explained by age.
    If the difference was only two or three times then age might explain it but not 10 times
    Significant part of asylum seekers are former criminals, who want to start new life outside country of birth for various reasons. But not all of them received refugee status and right do not work for all their life. As result they are jumping back to their previous activities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Éireann go Brách View Post
    Does anyone know why the latin american figure is so high?
    Probably because most of them are drug smugglers, captured on border, but without any intention to live in Ireland

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    Good OP.

    Average annual cost per prisoner is 77k
    Source: Annual cost of keeping each prisoner in jail falls to €77,222 - The Irish Times - Wed, Jun 23, 2010

    33.6% of prisoners are foreigners [2007]
    Average prison population 3,100 http://www.crimecouncil.gov.ie/stati...ri_prison.html

    So 1,042 foreigners lets say on average at a cost of 77k per year = €80 million per annum. That report also states the foreigner prisoner popululation may be as low as 30%. So lets say €75 mil euro to be safe.

    This is about €68 in tax per person if we only consider the 1.3 million left in employment.

    With the tough budget coming up, significant savings would be made by deporting all these people or outsourcing their sentences to cheaper countries.
    Last edited by Telemachus; 3rd August 2010 at 01:02 PM. Reason: Incorrect assumption
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    perhaps the gardai prosecute proportionately more foreign nationals than Irish. Secondly, while fines and community service are realistic for Irish people, prison is the only effective punishment for non-Irish nationals.

    That said the figures are very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Éireann go Brách View Post
    Does anyone know why the latin american figure is so high?
    A family member of mine works occasionally as a translator for Brazilians who find themselves in police custody. They usually get done for traffic / motor offences such as not having insurance, they're notorious for it apparently. Not sure if that's the type of thing that gets you locked up and this is of course only anecdotal, but there you have it for what it's worth.

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