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    I believe in Democracy.

    I believe that voters have the right to choose.

    I believe that voters some times get it completely wrong.

    I believe that voters have the right to choose.

    I believe that voters have the right to choose,even when they are wrong. (I don't mean just because I believe they are wrong, I mean when they are actually wrong)

    Democracy gets it right most of the time.

    In Ireland we have been getting it wrong for a while, but, that is not the fault of Democracy. We, voters have not been paying sufficient attention. We, voters have not challenged candidates on the doorstep.

    As voters we have to be clear in our priorities.

    We have to ask : What is your position on this issue + What is your Party's position on this issue.

    We also have to go beyond that.

    We have to say : I will not vote for you because this your position on the issue + That is your Party's position on this issue.

    In order for Democracy to work we have to pay attention.
    Just because you did something stupid yesterday does not mean you cannot do something smart today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bactrian View Post

    In order for Democracy to work we have to pay attention.
    roger that
    Last edited by Rhubarbless; 1st August 2010 at 09:55 PM.

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    The problem with that approach - refusal to support a party because you don't support one of their policies - is that very few people support all the policies of the party they end up giving their vote. And of course once one votes that party claims the mandate for all their policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bactrian View Post
    I believe in Democracy.

    I believe that voters have the right to choose.
    Do you really think that putting some numbers on a page once ever four years is democracy? You must have really low expectations, a chara.

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    In order for democracy to work, people have to be given a chance to cast their vote.

    For example in such places as:

    Donegal South-West

    Dublin South

    Waterford

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmo_loves_you View Post
    In order for democracy to work, people have to be given a chance to cast their vote.
    And, of course, their vote has to actually count. They should not be threatened and bullied to change their vote if they dare to vote the "wrong" way - as in the Nice and Lisbon referenda.

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    I'm glad you voted me into the national parliament, Mr. Voter. I will be handsomely rewarded for keeping my mouth shut and voting with the party. Oh, and that booklet I just gave you with our "promises" for government, you should really tear it up and use it in the smallest room in your house. That's all it's good for - let's say that circumstances have changed; yes..........we can now form a government. I'll see you in another 5 years, all going well. Oh and if there are any referenda in the meantime, just vote the way we tell you or you'll have to do it all over again. Thanks for you vote.
    That's democracy, Irish style.

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    Im feed up with the way the TDs just take, take,take.The way we vote needs to change.We need to vote a Goverment in from a national list and then vote a Dail in,and cut the pay they get thats just the ay I see it.

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    And I was feeling disenfranchised in California. I feel much better now. The next time I hear a neighbor complaining about having to study up on the referendums I’ll remind them of the alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmo_loves_you View Post
    In order for democracy to work, people have to be given a chance to cast their vote.

    For example in such places as:

    Donegal South-West

    Dublin South

    Waterford
    +1.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    And, of course, their vote has to actually count. They should not be threatened and bullied to change their vote if they dare to vote the "wrong" way - as in the Nice and Lisbon referenda.
    Agreed.

    We have democracy light.
    But then again we put up with it.
    "every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.” -Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot

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