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    Can anyone shed any light if the forthcoming Dublin (DART) tunnel will facilitate a direct train service from Belfast through Dublin to Cork/Limerick/Waterford/Tralee/Galway?
    Surely the current Belfast to Dublin service could in the future offer onwards direct services to these destinations?

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    Isn't there already an underground tunnel that connects Heuston and Connolly , going under the Phoenix Park ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sowhat View Post
    Can anyone shed any light if the forthcoming Dublin (DART) tunnel will facilitate a direct train service from Belfast through Dublin to Cork/Limerick/Waterford/Tralee/Galway?
    AFAIK there are no plans for a service like that The tunnel will only be used for electric trains (i.e. Darts) because it won't be ventilated for diesel engines. Even if they could operate diesels through it, it would be a bad idea because you'd be mixing all-stop, high acceleration Darts with express, low acceleration IC trains and then you'd end up with the same silly gaps that you have in the existing timetable.

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    Isn't there already an underground tunnel that connects Heuston and Connolly , going under the Phoenix Park ?
    Yes but it takes a very windy route so it's very slow and because of the location of the Heuston portal, it can't serve the normal platforms without a reversing maneuver which takes ages.

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    Seems really short sighted and a Dublin centric view that you will not be able to travel through Dublin from Belfast or Sligo without having to change trains AND stations to continue on to cities in Munster. At least get the Phoenix park line to take intercity trains!!
    If not possible, surely one tunnel bore could take Intercity trains and the other commuter trains.
    I assume that if the tunnel is not designed to take diesel trains, it's because there are plans to use the phoenix park line for InterCity train services in the future or maybe there plans to switch intercity services from diesel to electric in Ireland in the future..

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    You'll be able to hop onto a DART train between Connolly and Heuston and the journey time will be a LOT faster than the LUAS which takes an age to get between the two due to all the stops and on-street traffic mingling.

    Switching intercity trains to electric would be a huge project. Although, I think it could be done for Cork-Dublin-Belfast without buying new trains just new electric locomotives at either end of the cork dublin train and at one end of the enterprise.

    The huge investment in regional diesel trains for other routes really limits the possibility of going electric without huge cost as the whole fleet would have to be either replaced or very significantly modified i.e. removing the diesel engines under the coaches and replacing them with electric motors.

    Then you've got the significant cost of wiring up the overhead cables etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sowhat View Post
    Can anyone shed any light if the forthcoming Dublin (DART) tunnel will facilitate a direct train service from Belfast through Dublin to Cork/Limerick/Waterford/Tralee/Galway?
    Surely the current Belfast to Dublin service could in the future offer onwards direct services to these destinations?
    Alas, Ireland does not work like that.

    Local commuter transport within Dublin takes priority over national inter-city transport.

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    Is there really that much demand for a direct Belfast-Cork train? It would take about 5 hours on a good day, and didn't Aer Arran just cancel its direct Cork-Belfast flight due to lack of demand?

    I'd prefer the money be spent on improving the Dublin-Cork track to get train speeds up.

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    there should be a heavy rail service to dublin airport with departuers to belfast, dublin city centre, cork, limerick galway. this could be used as a hub station for onward connections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Horse View Post
    Alas, Ireland does not work like that.

    Local commuter transport within Dublin takes priority over national inter-city transport.
    Bullsh1t. The intercity network has been the focus of invetment in recent years and the DART service is constantly sacrificed in peak hours for intercity and long distance cuclhie commuter services. And we have the pox of irish transport, the WRC being prioritised.

    Local commuter transport in Dublin, in any case, is what pays the transport bills for the rest of our dispersed bungalow heaven outside the Pale.
    We need to radically change every system that has enabled the wholesale destruction of the Irish landscape, rural and urban. There is no time for incremental step by step measures. The systems have failed utterly and the only hope for a real recovery requires the rule book to be torn up completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alonso View Post

    Local commuter transport in Dublin, in any case, is what pays the transport bills for the rest of our dispersed bungalow heaven outside the Pale.


    A major departure from your normal high standards there alonso.
    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair.

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