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    Turbulence Ahead: The Nuclear 'Debate'

    Why are we unable or unwilling to have a serious discussion about Nuclear Power?

    Anyone? Please?
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    Because we are all aiming for renewable energy and nuclear power is not one of them.
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    the tap: France Has Become A Nuclear Deathtrap

    France has 58 nuclear power stations of its own, and a reprocessing industry, with its largest plant at Cap La Hague in northern France on the Channel, which imports nuclear waste from around the world.


    The country has a history of nuclear accidents to make the blood run cold. Few of these are ever reported. Before bathing in rivers such as the Rhone or the Loire, or rushing into the waves that pound French beaches, people should read one or two reports of the hazards involved. There is a greater concentration of nuclear hazard in France than anywhere else on the planet. Locals know which rivers to avoid. Tourists don't.
    Ooh, would make me think twice before going on holidays to France!
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    The biggest issue facing Ireland isn't whether nuclear power is safe enough. It is but rather how cost effective it is at a small level compared to gas.

    France has approximately 60 million people and approximately 60 reactors. A layman interpretation would have you suggest that 1 million people is enough for 1 reactor. This doesn't tell the whole story though. France has a huge heavy industry that Ireland simply doesn't, big countries like the UK, France and the US even at off peak times (night time) have a high minimum demand on power compared to us.

    Countries with similar populations to Ireland (2 to 5.5 Million) that have nuclear power. Finland, Denmark, Armenia, Latvia, Lituania, Slovakia and Slovenia.

    In short, nuclear should be on the table for discussion. It may not be appropriate right now but in the future with reasonable projected growth in both population and demand may constitute grounds for planning ahead. Which means the debate needs to happen now.

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    Chernobyl was a disaster from its inception.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SKOj8LGhk
    Claims made in the BBC drama documentary:

    1. The person who headed the Ukrainian investigation was politically pressured to blame the staff.
    2. He made attempts to undermine the integrity of the investigation afterwards saying he was pressured to a false conclusion.
    3. The results of the initial conclusion mean to this day "incompetent" staff as an explanation are widely held.
    3. Further independent investigation revealed it wasn't the staff but design flaws.

    According to a very similar discussion on another forum (in which I've lifted some of my contributions) the Americans knew that design was flawed but never shared this with the Soviets during the Cold War for obvious reasons i.e. horizontal rods are better than vertical rods.

    Further Reading/Viewing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK8ccWSZkic
    Cost of electricity by source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Economics of new nuclear power plants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMushyStuff View Post
    Because we are all aiming for renewable energy and nuclear power is not one of them.
    All?

    Renewables cannot generate baseload power. Physics defeats idealism here.

    The only way to make renewables work would be massive energy storage, and that has problems of its own, due to the massive flooding required.

    Also, even then, there is a limit to how much power is actually available from renewables.

    Baring fusion, fission is the only way to go.

    Edit: I also agree with the above comment about the sizes of nuclear plant. However, the minimum size is decreasing all the time. Soon you will be able to buy a plant where you send the core back to the manufacture after it has used up all its fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultor View Post
    Turbulence Ahead: The Nuclear 'Debate'

    Why are we unable or unwilling to have a serious discussion about Nuclear Power?

    Anyone? Please?
    No it bad,it's dangerous NO NO NO!

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    Interesting post Dev, so if we're going to build a nuclear power station, we should build it somewhere in Britain, so we can sell the electricity in the British market and maybe ship the surplus to Ireland through the interconnector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    Interesting post Dev, so if we're going to build a nuclear power station, we should build it somewhere in Britain, so we can sell the electricity in the British market and maybe ship the surplus to Ireland through the interconnnector.
    So although you believe that we should distance ourselves from the EU other countries are good enough to host our nuclear power stations in.

    The amount of hypocrisy permeating the energy debate is really quite hilarious.

    Ireland is to fund a nuclear station in Britain and receive the crumbs after the UK takes what it wants.

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    A couple of things. A search on Google shows a consensus that the worlds Power consumption for one year is 15 Terawatts with over 90% of that coming from Fossil Fuels. Assuming we attempt to generate this figure exclusively from Nuclear Power plants, how long would the Worlds supply of Uranium last? At what point do we reach Peak-Uranium?

    And if we switched exclusively to Nuclear, what would we do with the incredible amount of waste thats generated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    the tap: France Has Become A Nuclear Deathtrap



    Ooh, would make me think twice before going on holidays to France!
    The anti nuke people must be getting very desperate indeed if the best they can come up with is a blog from this lying ignoramus.

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