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    (This is the first thread I have started here, so please be tolerant.)

    In regard to the Cloyne issue I have just been to the APIL (Asociation of Personal injury Lawyers) website and I used their search facility to see where expert plaintiff Child Abuse lawyers could be found in Ireland.

    I was horrified. There is not a single one on the entire island.

    Have a look for yourself -
    Lawyer search results - "Your search for APIL accredited lawyers of level senior litigator and above, working in the area of Assault or abuse (child abuse) in all regions returned 31 results. We recommend you speak to two or three firms before choosing a lawyer to handle your case." - those 31 were all in Britain.

    What is going on? Are the victims expected to argue their own case, or just to gamble on their representative being competent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Mr Grouser View Post
    (This is the first thread I have started here, so please be tolerant.)

    In regard to the Cloyne issue I have just been to the APIL (Asociation of Personal injury Lawyers) website and I used their search facility to see where expert plaintiff Child Abuse lawyers could be found in Ireland.

    I was horrified. There is not a single one on the entire island.

    Have a look for yourself - Lawyer search results - "Your search for APIL accredited lawyers of level senior litigator and above, working in the area of Assault or abuse (child abuse) in all regions returned 31 results. We recommend you speak to two or three firms before choosing a lawyer to handle your case." - those 31 were all in Britain.

    What is going on? Are the victims expected to argue their own case, or just to gamble on their representative being competent?
    Well done on your first thread, Old Mr Grourser. First of many, I hope.

    Check out this site.

    Sexual Abuse Lawyer in Ireland - Ireland Lawyer Sexual Abuse - Sexual Abuse Attorneys Ireland
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    Thanks, Newsy, but I don't think it's quite the same specialisation or accreditation. There are APIL-accredited Irish solicitors but working in other fields.

    I'd have thought that with all the scandals there would have been shoals of accredited child-abuse lawyers here.

    I know that when the Redress Board was operating there were some UK firms handling the claims of UK residents; and there have been rumours that UK-based victims did better at the Board

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Mr Grouser View Post
    (This is the first thread I have started here, so please be tolerant.)

    In regard to the Cloyne issue I have just been to the APIL (Asociation of Personal injury Lawyers) website and I used their search facility to see where expert plaintiff Child Abuse lawyers could be found in Ireland.

    I was horrified. There is not a single one on the entire island.

    Have a look for yourself - Lawyer search results - "Your search for APIL accredited lawyers of level senior litigator and above, working in the area of Assault or abuse (child abuse) in all regions returned 31 results. We recommend you speak to two or three firms before choosing a lawyer to handle your case." - those 31 were all in Britain.

    What is going on? Are the victims expected to argue their own case, or just to gamble on their representative being competent?
    Why would there be? We are a small island and contrary to what the media pedels the world and our island is not filled to the brim with paedophiles. We do not need any lawyers expert in child abuse!

    by the way congratulations on your first post don't take my attack personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcdf View Post
    Why would there be? We are a small island and contrary to what the media pedels the world and our island is not filled to the brim with paedophiles. We do not need any lawyers expert in child abuse!
    Hi JC,

    Dev is said to have said something similar when rejecting a recommendation for the inspection of orphanages and Industrial Schools.

    Even on the basis of population size if Britain has 31 accredited child-abuse lawyers then shouldn't we have 3?

    And such a need comes from our national independence, irrespective of our size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Mr Grouser View Post
    Hi JC,

    Dev is said to have said something similar when rejecting a recommendation for the inspection of orphanages and Industrial Schools.

    Even on the basis of population size if Britain has 31 accredited child-abuse lawyers then shouldn't we have 3?

    And such a need comes from our national independence, irrespective of our size.
    Good point!

    On the other hand, we are part of the EU, which impinges on our national independence already. Perhaps we could just occasionally borrow a few of Britain's legal experts in this field when they are required. Our law system is very similar to that of Britain's after all.

    We no longer have any Industrial Schools. I do not think we have that many orphanages either.
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    Some of you might care to look at this article: Pannone Personal Injury blog - How personal injury cases improved child abuse in the Catholic church

    Itís by an English PI lawyer, Richard Scorer, who acted for two victims of a pervert priest, Michael Hill. Legal proceedings were launched against the diocese and the bishop, Cormac Murphy-OíConnor. The case was settled out-of-court.

    The piece is almost 2,000 words, but makes many important points. Itís a very good read.

    Hereís the ending:
    As personal injury lawyers we regularly get attacked for the seedier aspects of the claims culture, even when these are not of our making.

    Itís all the more important, therefore, that when personal injury litigation helps to make society a better place, we stand up and shout about it.

    Personal injury cases have played a central role in forcing the Catholic Church to reform itself, and as APIL members we should be proud to say so.

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    I thought I'd bring up this issue again inthe light of the Roscommon case -

    http://www.politics.ie/health-social...care-case.html

    http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/Publi...ldCareCase.pdf

    HSE apologises in Roscommon childcare case

    Ultra-catholics under fire over horror house - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

    Many people failed those children. And since the matter came before the High Court at one time you do have to wonder if the legal system here performed properly.

    Do we even know the names of the judge and the barristers and solicitors, or the witnesses? Is the full text of the ruling in the public domain, or even the costs of the case?

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    Correction and an apology - APIL have a new website, and APIL members outside Britain aren't on there.

    However I have phoned APIL and I'm told that there are two Dublin solicitors who are members of APIL's Child Abuse special interest group, and another in Belfast. So things are moving forward.

    But a lot more information about the Roscommon High Court case needs to be out in the public domain.

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