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    Gilmore's political Travels and his beanstalk economics.

    Eamon Gilmore is our Greatest Political Tourist, first he joined The Workers Party, (he told us they were what we needed) then decided it was best to leave and join New Agenda,(he told us they were what we needed too) not happy with New Agenda he turned it into Democratic Left (whom he told us they were what we needed). He then decided with others to take over The Labour Party (whom he tells us they are what we need).

    One constant which Eamon has been convinced about is that we need to tax the rich. First he will convince you that you are not rich, and that he will give you a better life when he hunts down the rich and taxes them for you.

    Recently he has moved on to the magic seeds theory or beanstalk economics. It is basically expands beyond the range of appeal on tax the rich.

    Eamon and Joan have these magic seeds they will plant in tons of more borrowed money and it will save the economy.

    If you are paying union subscriptions you will not be defined as rich by Eamon. No need at all for any pain if you are in a union, in fact you can have a raise (financed by taxing the rich and the harvest from the beanstalk crop)

    Borrow and spend with the magic seeds and it will restore the economy, without any policies as long as you plant the seeds in the rotted entrails of Fianna Fáil Politicians and Bank Executives.

    But Eamon told us to Nationalise the Banks which would give us ownership of their losses too.


    Can we believe him if he tells us he would not enter Government with Fianna Fáil if it would make him the Taoiseach?
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    Its amazing that Labour and Gilmore are so popular when he wont ever define what his policies are! He wont even say if he supports the Croke Park deal or not.

    Did we not get enough of this populist leadership style under Bertie. Should we not start voting for people with the most prudent policies for health, economy, etc. instead of the person with the best sound bytes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kalahan
    But Eamon told us to Nationalise the Banks which would give us ownership of their losses too.
    Oh Christ, another one.

    While the "nationalisation = assumption of debt" trope is always tiresome, I never get bored of hearing someone accused of having no policies, either seconds before or after that someone is accused of having crazy policies. It's unoriginal and truly stupid, but never boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishfeller View Post
    Its amazing that Labour and Gilmore are so popular when he wont ever define what his policies are! He wont even say if he supports the Croke Park deal or not.

    Did we not get enough of this populist leadership style under Bertie. Should we not start voting for people with the most prudent policies for health, economy, etc. instead of the person with the best sound bytes.
    Why would he say what his policies are ahead of a GE campaign - then FF and FG would have extra time to spin them negatively - with labour you know what they stand for and that resonates well with the public at the moment.

    Unfortunately public opinion lags public need by about 5 years - we needed labour in 2004-2005 and...

    .... we need FG now.
    We need competitive salaries in our PS
    We need further rationalisation of the social welfare provisions
    We need to invest in irish business
    We need to shore up the multinational presence
    ANGER IS A POLICY, GET OFF YOUR KNEES

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kalahan View Post
    Gilmore's Travels and his beanstalk economics.


    One constant which Eamon has been convinced about is that we need to tax the rich. First he will convince you that you are not rich, and that he will give you a better life when he hunts down the rich and taxes them for you.
    It is Fianna Fail (a party of the right), not Labour, who has raised taxes to their presently high levels...witness the swingeing levies imposed on every worker due to Fianna Fail's financial and fiscal incompetence during the 'good' times. Fianna Fail are now even talking about taxing the very lowest paid...but I suppose that is okay as long as the rich do not have to pay their share for the society we all live in...which is what you appear to think. A morally dubious position...


    But Eamon told us to Nationalise the Banks which would give us ownership of their losses too.
    We will end up effectively nationalising the banks in any case. It would have been quicker, and more effective, if the banks had been nationalised at the start so that losses could have been more quickly crystalised and lending therefore more quickly resumed to SMEs...
    But, of course, that would get in the way of market orthodoxy, wouldn't it?

    Very early days to be attacking Gilmore. My suspicion is that the more he is attacked, the more attention he will receive, and the higher he and Labour will go in the polls. All publicity is good publicity...especially when the govt. is so weak and is an effective punching bag for any half decent opposition party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishfeller View Post
    Its amazing that Labour and Gilmore are so popular when he wont ever define what his policies are!
    50 policy documents since 2007 election.

    See Labour website.

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    Would Eamon:

    Reduce pensions and social welfare payments?

    Reduce public sector worker numbers?

    Reverse public sector pay cuts?

    Increase gift and inheritance taxes?

    Increase corporation taxes?

    Tax second homes and investment properties?

    Charge water rates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kalahan View Post
    Gilmore's Travels and his beanstalk economics.

    Eamon Gilmore is our Greatest Political Tourist, first he joined The Workers Party, (he told us they were what we needed) then decided it was best to leave and join New Agenda,(he told us they were what we needed too) not happy with New Agenda he turned it into Democratic Left (whom he told us they were what we needed). He then decided with others to take over The Labour Party (whom he tells us they are what we need).

    One constant which Eamon has been convinced about is that we need to tax the rich. First he will convince you that you are not rich, and that he will give you a better life when he hunts down the rich and taxes them for you.

    Recently he has moved on to the magic seeds theory or beanstalk economics. It is basically expands beyond the range of appeal on tax the rich.

    Eamon and Joan have these magic seeds they will plant in tons of more borrowed money and it will save the economy.

    If you are paying union subscriptions you will not be defined as rich by Eamon. No need at all for any pain if you are in a union, in fact you can have a raise (financed by taxing the rich and the harvest from the beanstalk crop)

    Borrow and spend with the magic seeds and it will restore the economy, without any policies as long as you plant the seeds in the rotted entrails of Fianna Fáil Politicians and Bank Executives.

    But Eamon told us to Nationalise the Banks which would give us ownership of their losses too.


    Can we believe him if he tells us he would not enter Government with Fianna Fáil if it would make him the Taoiseach?

    Well I suppose the attacks were going to come sooner or later given the polls yesterday.

    I think they will be counter productive, attacking Gilmore will only do one thing and that is drive up his approval ratings.

    The problem for FF and FG is that Gilmore has credibility, but more importantly he has integrity in the minds of a fair chunk of the electorate.

    FF are very desperate, ordinary punters don't buy the FF line that Eamon's views on Croke are a matter of national importance and one of the most pressing issues facing the country. FF have destroyed the economy and have put the future of our country in jeopardy and this is their focus!!

    Secondly unlike Kenny who needs to be coached and advised to an inch of his life, Eamon is his own man, he takes advice but he has a finger on the pulse of where ordinary people are at and has a great ability to articulate it. He cut to the heart of it in stating that Cowen had committed economic treason, Kenny just blundered and blustered.

    All this talk in the political bubble about FG having all these policies just shows how detached most of these people are from the vast majority of the electorate. The ordinary punter does not sit down and read policy documents, we know that. They want to know the broad outlines, how will I be affected, but they also make decisions on the basis of trust and faith in political leaders. FG and Labour should know, they have spent the last 13 years producing excellent policies, much use it did them! In fact Labour traditionally got critisised for spending too much time "seminarising"!

    I am probably one of the 1% who looks at policies. I think FG have produced some interesting policies. Both NewERA and New politics are the curates egg. New ERA has potential, but huge gaps as well and this proposal to borrow billions and put stuff off balance sheet worries me. New politics is good on institutional change, but changing institutions is not enough if we are to revitalise democracy and rebuild trust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kalahan View Post
    Would Eamon:

    Reduce pensions and social welfare payments?

    Reduce public sector worker numbers?

    Reverse public sector pay cuts?

    Increase gift and inheritance taxes?

    Increase corporation taxes?

    Tax second homes and investment properties?

    Charge water rates?
    Last edited by John Kalahan; 11th June 2010 at 12:36 PM. Reason: Lets talk about Eamon

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kalahan View Post
    Would Eamon:

    Reduce pensions and social welfare payments?

    Reduce public sector worker numbers?

    Reverse public sector pay cuts?

    Increase gift and inheritance taxes?

    Increase corporation taxes?

    Tax second homes and investment properties?

    Charge water rates?

    Exactly...Labour may publish general policy documents but they are always vague enough to allow them to sit on the fence.....they will never give their position on controversial issues in case they will lose votes.

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