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    The government has been accused of abandoning the relatives of the victims of the biggest atrocity of the entire Troubles, the bombings of Dublin and Monaghan on the same day in May 1974 by loyalists working under British direction. The 33 people killed on this day in 1974 were remembered today at a wreath-laying ceremony at the Talbot Street memorial, along with the victims of previous bombings in Dublin.

    The Government was criticised for stopping its funding for the Justice for the Forgotten Group a year ago.
    Spokeswoman for the group Margaret Urwin said the Government was failing to honour its commitment to victims made under the Good Friday Agreement.
    'The Government is willing to talk about the rights of victims in the North but their actions speak louder than their words South of the border. They just don't want to know us'.
    RTÉ News: Govt accused of failing 1974 bomb victims


    Isn't she right? The government and the political classes will go out of their way (and rightly so) to express their outrage at the deaths of people north of the border, but their own citizens' deaths are treated essentially as an embarrassment, too many awkward questions about the British role in what happened and the Dublin response in covering that up. In particular, why did the Gardaí 'lose' so many files, and why did they end the investigation just three months after the bombings? What pressure is being put on the British to release the embargoed security documents?



    Is this just all too embarrassing for the government to want to look too deeply at, is the prospect of justice actually being done a bit frightening for the State?

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    Same mentality as we have up here - don't rock the boat, time to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    The government has been accused of abandoning the relatives of the victims of the biggest atrocity of the entire Troubles, the bombings of Dublin and Monaghan on the same day in May 1974 by loyalists working under British direction. The 33 people killed on this day in 1974 were remembered today at a wreath-laying ceremony at the Talbot Street memorial, along with the victims of previous bombings in Dublin.


    RTÉ News: Govt accused of failing 1974 bomb victims


    Isn't she right? The government and the political classes will go out of their way (and rightly so) to express their outrage at the deaths of people north of the border, but their own citizens' deaths are treated essentially as an embarrassment, too many awkward questions about the British role in what happened and the Dublin response in covering that up. In particular, why did the Gardaí 'lose' so many files, and why did they end the investigation just three months after the bombings? What pressure is being put on the British to release the embargoed security documents?



    Is this just all too embarrassing for the government to want to look too deeply at, is the prospect of justice actually being done a bit frightening for the State?
    This case is way too embarrassing for the Irish Government to want solved. Too many high ranking Government and security personnel involved in collusion
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockofcashel View Post
    This case is way too embarrassing for the Irish Government to want solved. Too many high ranking Government and security personnel involved in collusion
    And too many files going 'missing'. The Government's response to the attacks on its own citizens was craven, the Guards' response inadequate and suspect, to say the least. The biggest combined atrocity of the entire thirty years and the book was simply shut 12 weeks later. Incredible. And Irish governments have been speaking with forked tongues ever since, making promises they have no intention of keeping, Ahern in particular. And now funding has been withdrawn from the group campaigning for justice on behalf of the innocent dead...


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    Too many of the 'Right People' both here and in the U.K, would be embarresed if the truth got out.

    The truth being that British agents planted bombs in an independant sovreign territory with or 'without' the knowledge of members of the Irish Political class.

    Unfortunately it's just another case of the 'truth will never out' well atleast not in our lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eoghanacht View Post
    Too many of the 'Right People' both here and in the U.K, would be embarresed if the truth got out.

    The truth being that British agents planted bombs in an independent sovereign territory with or 'without' the knowledge of members of the Irish Political class.

    Unfortunately it's just another case of the 'truth will never out' well atleast not in our lifetime.
    But any such discussion would would lead to coverage in the British media about the involvement of some sections of the Irish State in IRA terrorism on mainland Britain, 1969 - 1997.

    Have a look at this memorial to Field Marshal Wilson, at London's Liverpool Street Station http://www.hellfire-corner.demon.co....liverpool3.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Mr Grouser View Post
    But any such discussion would would lead to coverage in the British media about the involvement of some sections of the Irish State in IRA terrorism on mainland Britain, 1969 - 1997.

    Have a look at this memorial to Field Marshal Wilson, at London's Liverpool Street Station http://www.hellfire-corner.demon.co....liverpool3.jpg
    Your point might be better served by using anyone other than that old scumbag as an example. He was no 'innocent'...

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    Chairperson Bernie McNally appealed for ministers to restore funding which she said has been completely withdrawn.
    Without it the group will have to close down at the end of June.
    "Our Government is failing to honour its obligations to victims which it signed up to in the Good Friday Agreement," said Ms McNally.
    "There is no question of funding being withdrawn from the many victims' organisations in Northern Ireland at this time.
    "We are being discriminated against simply because of our location."
    Funds call for bomb victim campaign - National News, Breaking News - Argus.ie


    Yep, they have the misfortune of being related to people killed on this side of the border. Shaming.

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    It was a horrendous act of British terror, no warnings - no targets except innocent passers by... The British basically bombed 100% civilian streets - if they wanted to 'make a point' to the Irish Govt why did they target ordinary people in that way?

    The sense of outrage from this atrocity should have been greater even than Bloody Sunday (as it was a crime of even greater magnitude)... Small surprise the Republic's authorities wanted to keep a lid on it as if it had been truthfully exposed anger would have been transformed into support for the IRA in the North and the Republic Govt were coming to regard the IRA as their greatest enemy and a threat around this time (not the British or Loyalists), the Irish Govt around this time also knew about child abuse in Ireland around then and covered that up too.

    Surprised the French and Italian Govts never made more of it as they lost citizens in this indiscriminate attack as well. It is wrong that the Govt withdraws funding for those campaigning for justice for their famillies - but the Governments of Ireland having in all probability aided in the destruction of the files may secretly agree that this quest is safely a nonstarter now anyway - and the continued demands by the relatives is an embarrassing reminder of the whole disgraceful affair.

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    Now that Saville has reported and great play has been made in the media of the 'closure' for the Derry families (leaving aside that the report's finding that there was no high level conspiracy is clearly absurd), and given renewed calls for inquiries into other killings like the Ballymurphy internment duck-shoot, perhaps the Irish government might help their own citizens, the families and victims of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, including the other Dublin bombings, this side of the border achieve closure too. At the very least maybe they might now see fit to restoring funding to the Justice for the Forgotten group. Or is the culture of treating victims here, out of the spotlight of the international media, with contempt going to continue?...

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