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Thread: Is the English Labour Party Finished?

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    Default Is the English Labour Party Finished?

    Nothing left outside of the cities.

    Is it time for Scottish Labour to go it alone?

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    no.
    "In [Ireland] a wife is regarded as a chattel, just as a thoroughbred mare or cow." Mr Justice Butler in the Irish courts. 'Traditional Marriage' in the 1970s.

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    No, it was in government three days ago and is within 70 seats of an overall majority. Hardly? Why are you even asking?

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    I would like to think that it is, but I fear not.

    It is probable that it will become more driven by factionalism and thus severely weakened. It would be in its voter bases interest if it did. The reality is that the English Working class will probably do better under the new Govt. in the long run.

    As for Scottish Lab. going on their own. They would ask London first and be told no. They aren't noted for an ability to think outside of headquarters.

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    It'll rebound, stronger than ever and more left wing hopefully.

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    I love these threads, which always crop up, days after an election defeat. Give it a couple of years and they seem so ironic. Blair marked the death of the conservatives, the defeat of Gore marked the end of the Democrats and but a few years ago, Fine Gael were a spiral to non existence. Ironic.

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    Funnily enough, there was a conversation along similar lines on the Politics Now show on STV tonight.

    The consensus was that Scottish Labour and Labour 'south of the border' are drifting apart and will continue to do so.

    If Labour in England moves to the left, it risks making itself permanently unelectable down there.

    Likewise if it moves to the right in Scotland.

    Also consensus on the fact that having a Scottish leader makes any party less popular in England.

    Another interesting topic came up - when the public spending cuts kick in the Lib Dems will take most of the flak in Scotland because most of the government MPs are Lib Dems and Danny Alexander, Lib Dem MP, is Scottish Secretary.

    I don't think Alexander will be much of a match for Salmond if the two clash on TV...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Upper Chamber View Post
    No, it was in government three days ago and is within 70 seats of an overall majority. Hardly? Why are you even asking?
    Well I think it is actually a fair question. It as a party has lost many of its core activists, is seen as aloof and distant if not hostile in many ways to its support base.

    In the long term Labour are in trouble. What may save them is that the new Govt. will be facing an immensely difficult period of Govt. that will tarnish them for years.

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    Not a chance Milliband will be in charge and when the current coalition falls apart he may be able to pull the necessary votes in to tip the balance.

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