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    Nothing like unelected politicians telling their citizens that nothing but the EU's agenda has any meaning, right? Nothing like democracy turned upside-down, with an unelected executive having sole legislative initiative. Also note that they'll start screening who is behind petitions that they don't approve of.

    EurActiv
    EU commissioner vows to block 'silly' petitions

    Published: 06 May 2010

    The European Commission will filter citizens' petitions to make sure that "silly" initiatives like abolishing the EU are blocked, Maroš Šefčovič, a vice-president of the EU executive, told EurActiv in an interview ahead of talks today (6 May) on improving the transparency of EU decision-making.

    The European Citizens' Initiative (ECI), introduced by the Lisbon Treaty, allows citizens to request new EU legislation once a million signatures across at least nine member states have been collected asking the Commission to do so.

    "Citizens have an instrument to set the agenda of the European Union," said Šefčovič, responsible for inter-institutional relations and administration at the EU executive, expressing hope that grassroots organisations will use the ECI to help citizens "influence the work of the Commission" and request action on "concrete purposes".

    The Slovak commissioner predicted that the ECI would be used "in a positive manner," but warned that "great care" would be required to ensure that it is not abused.

    An "admissibility check" after 300,000 signatures have been collected should ensure that an initiative has genuine backing, Šefčovič said. Moreover, the Commission has introduced "safeguards" on registering new initiatives, including an obligation to provide details of who is behind the petition, how they are being funded and what they are hoping to achieve before a new initiative can be registered, he explained.

    Asked whether the ECI could one day oblige the Commission to draft legislation on abolishing the EU or banning the Islamic burqa, Šefčovič said "it is quite clear that if it comes to silly initiatives, there will just be an administrative procedure and the initiative will not be registered".

    "You can very easily have contradictions between freedom of expression and freedom of religion," he warned, explaining that "political decisions" on the admissibility of controversial cases would be referred to the college of commissioners. "Of course, these decisions will be challengeable in the European Court of Justice," Šefčovič said. ...
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    Another dumb Al thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    Another dumb Al thread.
    better than that traffic light bollix you started yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    Another dumb Al thread.
    Translated: "Aw no, why does Al have to knock me out of me comfort zone by reminding me of reality?"

    Sad to see that the citizens' initiative really isn't, isn't it? They come right out and tell you, at least, that they'll stop any petitions they don't like, at 300,000 signatures...after the Treaty of Lisbon's been in force for only half a year (and look, the treaty doesn't say they can't).
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    I always suspected that the purpose of the "Citizens Iniative" was to provide public sanction for the EU's agenda. Anything that goes against that agenda will be ignored.
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    If inconvenient referenda results can be sidestepped, then dealing with a petition should be no hassle. A petition is nothing more than an appeal to someone in authority to do something.
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    Another dumb Al thread.
    Still, even as the investor consensus ravages the euro, it's worth remembering that the same herd instinct not long ago was pronouncing last rites for the dollar. Last year, as China's central bank chief called for a new global currency and Russian central bankers dumped greenbacks to buy euros, many saw the dollar's decline as inevitable. Now, the dollar is riding high, and the euro looks bedraggled.

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    Quite right too - petitions to abolish the EU would be stupid.
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    Lucinda Creighton actually believed in all this guff!

    She made it one of the selling points of the Lisbon Referendum

    - and she's one of their brighter sparks!

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    Try reading the EU Treaties:

    Article 11 (TEU)

    4. Not less than one million citizens who are nationals of a significant number of Member States may take the initiative of inviting the European Commission, within the framework of its powers, to submit any appropriate proposal on matters where citizens consider that a legal act of the Union is required for the purpose of implementing the Treaties.
    In case that isn't clear enough:

    1) It is the member states - not the European Commission - that decides the content of the EU Treaties.

    2) The Commission is only authorised by the member states to propose measures for "the purpose of implementing the Treaties".

    3) The Commission is NOT authorised by the member states to propose measures that are contrary to "the purpose of implementing the Treaties".

    4) The Commission therefore has no legal authority to propose measures - even if it wants to - such as abolishing the EU.

    5) None of the above is hard to understand if you take the trouble to read the Treaties...

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