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    Default When will Brian Cowen be held accountable for his economic management 2004-2010?

    An election is a rich tapestry of reasons for vote for or against, Cowen's party. It could also be 2-4 years away.

    The Fianna Fail parliamentary party are only concerned with their own re-election. His failure to communicate will be their reason to do him down.

    Neither FG nor Fine Gael have put down any motion in the dail of no confidence in him yet, to force the Greens, indos, and wobbly ff backbencher to support his economic treason.

    The case against him
    1. The banking scandal. Under regulation, over-broad bank guarantee, including anglo, the nama myths.
    2. Giving developers months of notice of the intention to pursue them.
    3. Lunacy of increases in current spending not related to sustainable current receipts.
    4. Allowing a property bubble occur on his watch.
    5. Increasing social welfare rates so we are way out of line with nearest neighbours.
    6. Not having enough qualified economists in dept of finance.
    7.The loss of competitiveness over that period.
    8. The increases in the public sector pay bill duping that period.
    9. Failure to do anything on pension timebomb then spending its reserves .
    10. Signing off on the Irish glass bottle site without a proper valuation.

    In my view, for democratic accountability to exist, Brian Cowen should resign now. He may not be corrupt or utterly incompetent, but the buck stops with him. He should go for the right reason..

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    I must admit I thought his insistence in using a Helicopter to get to Cork today when the rest of us are grounded is typical of the Bozo's insensitivity.

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    Really good question - read interesting article about the government in Iceland when they experienced similar events - the parallels were actually amazing: property lead bubble, poor regulation and a handful of "Vikings" that made out like bandits during the boom. They threw out their government immediately and have already completed an investigation that has named names and generated prosecutions. In addition they have accepted their fate better because they feel better empowered by election and referendum, even if they are as badly off or possibly even worse than we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    In my view, for democratic accountability to exist, Brian Cowen should resign now. He may not be corrupt or utterly incompetent, but the buck stops with him. He should go for the right reason..
    Well obviously like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    An election is a rich tapestry of reasons for vote for or against, Cowen's party. It could also be 2-4 years away.

    The Fianna Fail parliamentary party are only concerned with their own re-election. His failure to communicate will be their reason to do him down.

    Neither FG nor Fine Gael have put down any motion in the dail of no confidence in him yet, to force the Greens, indos, and wobbly ff backbencher to support his economic treason.

    The case against him
    1. The banking scandal. Under regulation, over-broad bank guarantee, including anglo, the nama myths.
    2. Giving developers months of notice of the intention to pursue them.
    3. Lunacy of increases in current spending not related to sustainable current receipts.
    4. Allowing a property bubble occur on his watch.
    5. Increasing social welfare rates so we are way out of line with nearest neighbours.
    6. Not having enough qualified economists in dept of finance.
    7.The loss of competitiveness over that period.
    8. The increases in the public sector pay bill duping that period.
    9. Failure to do anything on pension timebomb then spending its reserves .
    10. Signing off on the Irish glass bottle site without a proper valuation.

    In my view, for democratic accountability to exist, Brian Cowen should resign now. He may not be corrupt or utterly incompetent, but the buck stops with him. He should go for the right reason..
    The UK's welfare rates are way below ours, but they are in as bad a shape as we are. Countries like the Nederlands, Germany, Sweden, Finland. The parts of Europe that are having a recession not a collapse have strong social support. In many of them the dole is paid at 80% of final wage. They are stricter on those who spend a life on the dole, which is where the focus should be.

    We need to stop following the failed example of the UK. Follow what works people.
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    To answer your thread title, it'll be at the next General Election.

    In terms of accountability for his actions and inactions, he will confined in history under the footnote 'Epic Fail as Finance Minister and Taoiseach'

    It's a pity really, I'm reliably informed that he is intelligent, good fun and a wicked mimic. We all know that he can sing and is intensely loyal to friends. In short, he'd be a wonderful companion in any social event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    An election is a rich tapestry of reasons for vote for or against, Cowen's party. It could also be 2-4 years away.

    The Fianna Fail parliamentary party are only concerned with their own re-election. His failure to communicate will be their reason to do him down.

    Neither FG nor Fine Gael have put down any motion in the dail of no confidence in him yet, to force the Greens, indos, and wobbly ff backbencher to support his economic treason.

    The case against him
    1. The banking scandal. Under regulation, over-broad bank guarantee, including anglo, the nama myths.
    2. Giving developers months of notice of the intention to pursue them.
    3. Lunacy of increases in current spending not related to sustainable current receipts.
    4. Allowing a property bubble occur on his watch.
    5. Increasing social welfare rates so we are way out of line with nearest neighbours.
    6. Not having enough qualified economists in dept of finance.
    7.The loss of competitiveness over that period.
    8. The increases in the public sector pay bill duping that period.
    9. Failure to do anything on pension timebomb then spending its reserves .
    10. Signing off on the Irish glass bottle site without a proper valuation.

    In my view, for democratic accountability to exist, Brian Cowen should resign now. He may not be corrupt or utterly incompetent, but the buck stops with him. He should go for the right reason..
    Where are you getting the four years for an election? The election will be held in 2012 at the latest.

    Anyway, the next GE will be Cowen's last event as Taoiseach. He'll probably survive the banking non-inquiry and even when he losses the 3 by-elections FF will not dump him.

    I just hope the first action of the new government will be to legislate for a full, open and public inquiry into the economic collapse. That should keep the remnants of the FF party occupied while FG busy themselves with rescuing the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malbekh View Post
    To answer your thread title, it'll be at the next General Election.

    In terms of accountability for his actions and inactions, he will confined in history under the footnote 'Epic Fail as Finance Minister and Taoiseach'

    It's a pity really, I'm reliably informed that he is intelligent, good fun and a wicked mimic. We all know that he can sing and is intensely loyal to friends. In short, he'd be a wonderful companion in any social event.

    Therein lies the problem - as leader of the country he can't be intensely loyal to his banker and developer friends at the expense of those of us who haven't been lucky enough to become his NBFFs. Cowen's actions and inactions have damaged the country - perhaps irrecoverably - and his ongoing insistence that he has a mandate from the people is, frankly boll*x, but he's committed to his course out of misplaced loyalty.

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    Never!

    The Greens are too busy shrouding themselves in glorious pensions to think of accountabiltiy or the little people. No move along and respect your betters. There's snails to save somewhere at the expense of massive corruption in the Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDF View Post
    Where are you getting the four years for an election? The election will be held in 2012 at the latest.

    Anyway, the next GE will be Cowen's last event as Taoiseach. He'll probably survive the banking non-inquiry and even when he losses the 3 by-elections FF will not dump him.

    I just hope the first action of the new government will be to legislate for a full, open and public inquiry into the economic collapse. That should keep the remnants of the FF party occupied while FG busy themselves with rescuing the economy.
    Under the Constitution a Dail term can be 7 years. Both the Greens and FF will be more than decimated at the election. They have the votes in the Dail and FG would facilitate it by continuing pairing for all absent TDs. It is an outside chance, but don't rule it out.

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