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    Default Soviet na hEireann - Excellent program from TG4 again

    Last night a documentary on the Limerick Soviet* in 1919 and the general labour struggles of the period 1919 - 1923 was on yet another excellent documentary from TG4. It also featured about the struggle between farm labourers and farm owners in Waterford and south Tipperary post Treaty ( Free State army put down the Labourers who were vertually slaves male and female house servants alike ).

    Their were very many aspects to it, most I could agree with, some not. To be honest, it was written from a very left point of view, it seemed to me anyway that they were implying a 32 county Irish workers revoulotion was almost on the verge of succeding, when although their was widespread agitiation, it wasn't to the depth or extent as the program made out. Though I would agree that the Free Sate govt. were very much on the side of conservativeism, capitalism and of course the Catholic church. With personality's like Arthur Griffith ( I remember reading Ernie O'Malley's On Another Mans Wound that many IRA men secretly questioned if Griffith was a republican at all in his political beliefs even before the Treaty) and Cosgrove and former Redmondites like Kevin O'Higgins dominating nothing but the same old regieme could about.

    Anyway, make up your own minds.

    Here's the first part TG4 - Irish language television channel - Teilifis Gaeilge

    And the rest TG4 - Irish language television channel - Teilifis Gaeilge - Documentaries


    *More on the Limerick Soviet of 1919, or the Limerick General Strike as it sometimes called.
    Limerick Soviet 1919 - Ireland Labour History - Introduction

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    Twas interesting alright. Sorry to go a bit off-topic but on Monday night on TG4 aswell there was a homemade drama about a young hurling fellow who was basically screwed over by wealthy-ish people and sent to prison. It was very class-conscious in its sympathetic portrayal of someone we might otherwise perceive and dismiss as a no good "skanger" and not something you'd ever see on RTE. It was a decent show aswell with good acting and a good storyline. It was the first installment of a new six part series. These programmes are a testament to the good standards at TG4.

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    I saw the very last few minutes of it and , talk about history repeating itself, there was Comrade Joe decrying the lack of leadership by the Labour party during that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket View Post
    I saw the very last few minutes of it and , talk about history repeating itself, there was Comrade Joe decrying the lack of leadership by the Labour party during that period.
    I don't think in fairness to Comrade Joe he specifically mentioned the Labour Party ?

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    Its tragic to think what Ireland could have been only for it being hi-jacked by bourgeois republicans, during the Tan War and after, by the right wing Sinn Féin misleadership, and turned into the gombeen nightmare it is now. The free state being under the landlords \ landowners misrule today just as it was under direct British misrule, and the vast amjority as excluded and landless as they ever were under the Brits. Tragically, the Trade Union misleadership are still betraying the Irish working class, with fatcats like David Begg making dirty deals to keep the bourgeoisie in power.

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    The national labour movement came across as being spineless/self interested .Surely that couldnt be accurate ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewiegriffin View Post
    The national labour movement came across as being spineless/self interested .Surely that couldnt be accurate ?
    Well, more that the Trade Union misleadership were spineless and self interested - as they are today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    Its tragic to think what Ireland could have been only for it being hi-jacked by bourgeois republicans, during the Tan War and after, by the right wing Sinn Féin misleadership, and turned into the gombeen nightmare it is now. The free state being under the landlords \ landowners misrule today just as it was under direct British misrule, and the vast amjority as excluded and landless as they ever were under the Brits. Tragically, the Trade Union misleadership are still betraying the Irish working class, with fatcats like David Begg making dirty deals to keep the bourgeoisie in power.

    In Cael's world, misrule follows misrule, everyone betrays, and if only the people would come to their senses and listen to him and follow him all would be well .... ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlabMurphy View Post
    I don't think in fairness to Comrade Joe he specifically mentioned the Labour Party ?

    Sorry, you could well be right, depending on an ageing memory here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael View Post
    Its tragic to think what Ireland could have been only for it being hi-jacked by bourgeois republicans, during the Tan War and after, by the right wing Sinn Féin misleadership, and turned into the gombeen nightmare it is now. The free state being under the landlords \ landowners misrule today just as it was under direct British misrule, and the vast amjority as excluded and landless as they ever were under the Brits. Tragically, the Trade Union misleadership are still betraying the Irish working class, with fatcats like David Begg making dirty deals to keep the bourgeoisie in power.
    Do you agree with me that in general it was a good documentary but it painted a misleading impression that the country was on the verge of a 32 county workers republic ?

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