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    Default 15 years since the Oklahoma bombings next week, good Observor article here.

    I saw this in the Observor and since it links contemporary political problems with the Oklahoma Memorial day, I thought to
    add it in here : Oklahoma: the day homegrown terror hit America | World news | The Observer

    It is weird that the tea-baggers are choosing the day to launch a set of protests against the current US administration
    at that particular time ,given that many still find it harder to understand Oklahoma than 9/11 (according to the linked piece).

    My interest in it is in the timing of the Mc Veigh execution which occurred two months to the day before the 9/11 attacks
    The US conversation about Mc Veigh, as homegrown malcontent and terrorist was subsumed beneath the easier to manage
    and handle a recognisable common enemy (al quaida) .

    Heres the Wikipedia : Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Gore Vidal on Mc Veigh and what he represented in terms of his hatred and loathing (though Mc Veigh didn't really talk about it
    and like Gary Gilmore before him chose execution above revealing motive to enquiry): Gore Vidal The Meaning of Timothy McVeigh

    The Gilmore case is treated quite extensively in the excellent Norman Mailer book , The Executioner's Song :
    The Executioner's Song - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    McVeigh and his accomplice Terry Nichols acted on their own.
    There has never been any credible evidence put forward proving anyone else was involved.
    The attack on the Oklahoma Federal building was relatively low tech (ammonium nitrate fertilizer, nitromethane, and diesel fuel mixture lit my a five minute fuse).

    McVeigh and Nichols positioned a rental truck next to an unguarded unprotected office building packed with over 2 metric tons of homemade explosives.

    An attack like that does not require a great deal of ingenuity or planning for two men of average education and a military background to do without much help from anyone else.

    They simply had the focus (blind hatred and fanaticism) and the discipline to prepare the bomb and carry out the attack.

    Conspiracy theories are simply pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTipperaryMan View Post
    McVeigh and his accomplice Terry Nichols acted on their own.
    There has never been any credible evidence put forward proving anyone else was involved.
    The attack on the Oklahoma Federal building was relatively low tech (ammonium nitrate fertilizer, nitromethane, and diesel fuel mixture lit my a five minute fuse).

    McVeigh and Nichols positioned a rental truck next to an unguarded unprotected office building packed with over 2 metric tons of homemade explosives.

    An attack like that does not require a great deal of ingenuity or planning for two men of average education and a military background to do without much help from anyone else.

    They simply had the focus (blind hatred and fanaticism) and the discipline to prepare the bomb and carry out the attack.

    Conspiracy theories are simply pants.


    Nowt about conspiracy theories, just about Gilmore and Mc Veigh (theres parallels): treated by Mailer and Vidal.
    I don't think that the Vuillamy article (linked) even mentions the spectre of a conspiracy theory.
    Last edited by Christine Murray; 11th April 2010 at 04:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTipperaryMan View Post
    McVeigh and his accomplice Terry Nichols acted on their own.
    There has never been any credible evidence put forward proving anyone else was involved.
    The attack on the Oklahoma Federal building was relatively low tech (ammonium nitrate fertilizer, nitromethane, and diesel fuel mixture lit my a five minute fuse).

    McVeigh and Nichols positioned a rental truck next to an unguarded unprotected office building packed with over 2 metric tons of homemade explosives.

    An attack like that does not require a great deal of ingenuity or planning for two men of average education and a military background to do without much help from anyone else.

    They simply had the focus (blind hatred and fanaticism) and the discipline to prepare the bomb and carry out the attack.

    Conspiracy theories are simply pants.
    These guys were involved too.

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    There's quite a lot planned in terms of protest and commeroration for that day, am adding in the Clinton Centre
    link : Clinton Presidential Center commemorates 15th anniversary of Oklahoma City bombing

    (it links to the Memorial centre activites and concert etcetera).
    Last edited by Christine Murray; 11th April 2010 at 05:09 PM.

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    News of an accomplice.#

    Oklahoma City bombing: Claims of second accomplice and FBI intimidation

    The FBI has been ordered to investigate allegations that claim the agency intimidated a witness and compelled him not to testify at a recent trial over evidence related to the Oklahoma City bombing.

    According to theSalt Lake Tribune, US District Judge Clark Waddoups scheduled a November 13th hearing on the matter, in which Utah attorney Jesse Trentadue accused the FBI of threatening to eliminate a former undercover agent’s health benefits if he took the stand. The former agent reportedly knew convicted bomber Timothy McVeigh.

    Timothy McVeigh (Reuters)Timothy McVeigh (Reuters)

    The core of the issue is that Trentadue claims the FBI has surveillance video revealing McVeigh carrying out the Oklahoma City bombing with an accomplice. The FBI adamantly denies that such video exists, and the government has insisted repeatedly that McVeigh acted alone in the event that killed 168 people.

    The witness involved in this whole situation, John Matthews, was scheduled to testify regarding this alleged video in July, but withdrew at the last minute. Trentadue – as well as a freelance journalist named Roger Charles – stated that when he spoke with Matthews about his absence, the former agent told them the FBI threatened him.

    “He was told he should take a vacation and that if he did testify he should suffer from a case of the ‘I don’t remembers,'” Trentadue told the judge back in July, as quoted by local Fox 13 News. ...

    Oklahoma City bombing: Claims of second accomplice and FBI intimidation ? RT USA
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    Christ ZH scraping the bucket again.

    The Terrance Yeakey (note spelling) "murder" almost debunks itself - firstly sites all over complain there was no autopsy, and then they post pictures supposedly taken from the autopsy report - you can't have it both ways!!

    Eg Who killed Terrance Yeakey
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    This must be a thread from the p.ie glory days.

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    Bertie for Pres!.. any one would be better than the leftie incumbent non achieving Leprechaun..

    You could list MDH achievements on a streaky rasher.. what has he ever achieved?..... a waster of a pretentious self acclaimed poet.. and the affected accent… my pressssiddaanncceey.. JAYSUS…

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