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    RTÉ News: White-tailed eagle found dead near Killarney

    Sad but inevitable given the extent of the misuse of poisons in Irish farming - why is the government still releasing these birds if they can't be bothered to do anything about the activities of the scumbags behind this carnage??. Its rapidly becoming a serious animal welfare issue since its obvious these projects will surely fail given the sheer number of these endangered birds that are now being illegally killed every spring.

    In the past month alone all 3 of the projects(White-Tailied Eagle, Golden Eagle, Red Kite) have lost birds through poisoning - the same thing happened last year and the year before. Sadly it has to said this kip of a country is not worthy of such magnificent creatures that were once some of the most spectacular elements of our Natural Heritage and a potential boon for are struggling tourism industry in the future since Eco tourism is one of the fastest growing sectors of this business in the world. Personally I think no more releases of these birds should take place and the ones already out there should be re-captured and sent back to Norway, Scotland and Wales to spare this country tattered environmental/tourism/farming/food image further damage

    This will go down as yet another abject failure of the GP in government - and yet another betrayel of former supporters etc.

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    [QUOTE=Ecoguy;2573406]RTÉ News: White-tailed eagle found dead near Killarney

    Sad but inevitable given the extent of the misuse of poisons in Irish farming - why is the government still releasing these birds if they can't be bothered to do anything about the activities of the scumbags behind this carnage??. Its rapidly becoming a serious animal welfare issue since its obvious these projects will surely fail given the sheer number of these endangered birds that are now being illegally killed every spring.

    In the past month alone all 3 of the projects(White-Tailied Eagle, Golden Eagle, Red Kite) have lost birds through poisoning - the same thing happened last year and the year before. Sadly it has to said this kip of a country is not worthy of such magnificent creatures that were once some of the most spectacular elements of our Natural Heritage and a potential boon for are struggling tourism industry in the future since Eco tourism is one of the fastest growing sectors of this business in the world. Personally I think no more releases of these birds should take place and the ones already out there should be re-captured and sent back to Norway, Scotland and Wales to spare this country tattered environmental/tourism/farming/food image further damage

    This will go down as yet another abject failure of the GP in government - and yet another betrayel of former supporters etc.[/QUOT

    more sad news about these eagle and kite projects however the rte report does not say the eagle was poisoned. There are many other ways that these birds can die. We should wait for the full post mortem results . We do need to tighten up on our protection of wildlife and people need to be prosecuted for killing these fine birds.

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    Why are the Greens obsessing about relatively harmless stag hunting when the killing of eagles is allowed to continue unabated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by borntorum View Post
    Why are the Greens obsessing about relatively harmless stag hunting when the killing of eagles is allowed to continue unabated?
    Exactly - they've proved to be a total waste of space and a downright embarresment to other Green Parties across Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinemartin View Post
    We do need to tighten up on our protection of wildlife and people need to be prosecuted for killing these fine birds.
    You need to catch them before you can prosecute them. I'm afraid we have a long way to go to win people over to conservation, as soon as the Bass stock starts to recover, they want to commercially exploit them, Mind you, their recovery seems to be related to banning drift net fishing, so maybe its not hopeless.

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    What about an incentive scheme to allay the fears of the farmers and reduce their willingness to kill the eagles.

    Educate them about the likelyhood of the eagles taking any of their lambs, but also put in place an overly generous compensation scheme for any livestock killed by the eagles.

    (eg 10 times the value of the lamb)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akrasia View Post
    What about an incentive scheme to allay the fears of the farmers and reduce their willingness to kill the eagles.
    I think most farmers don't fear eagles. What I was told by a sheep farmer is that it is poison being put out for foxes that is killing the birds.

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    There seems to be far more White-Tailed Eagles being lost to poisoning than Golden Eagles so the problem is much worse in Kerry than in Donegal. At some point though the donor countries like Norway will cut the supply off. Why send perfectly good Eaglets to Ireland to be poisoned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akrasia View Post
    What about an incentive scheme to allay the fears of the farmers and reduce their willingness to kill the eagles.

    Educate them about the likelyhood of the eagles taking any of their lambs, but also put in place an overly generous compensation scheme for any livestock killed by the eagles.

    (eg 10 times the value of the lamb)
    In all 3 project areas the farming community have been made well aware that these birds do not represent a threat to lambs since they are primarily scavangers, even the IFA have backed the projects - indeed in parts of Donegal farmers have welcomed the eagles since they are big predators of crows and foxes

    The problem here is the stupid laws on the use of meat baits in this country that are out of kilter with the rest of the EU. Most farmers now use less indiscriminate methods of vermin control such as shooting, electric fencing,proper housing etc. The problem lies with the small number who continues to use poison carcasses, which is in itself illegal under the Fallen Animals Act brought in after the BSE crises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flavirostris View Post
    Why send perfectly good Eaglets to Ireland to be poisoned?
    I think, as the OP suggests, the program will be cancelled from this side.

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