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    As might have been predicted, war has broken out over a new 'corrected' edition of James Joyce's Finnegans Wake, edited by Danis Rose and John O'Hanlon and published by Houyhnhnm Press. But don't all rush out to buy it as it costs 300.

    First out of the traps has been Terence Killeen who wrote a critical review in last Saturday's Irish Times, headed 'A flawed Finnegans Wake-up call' and declining to give Rose and O'Hanlon's edition a 'warm welcome'. In today's IT Bruce Arnold, who had championed the new edition of the Wake in the Indo, steps in to defend Rose and O'Hanlon (brothers apparently), describing Killeen's review as 'dismissive' and wondering why he had not travelled out to Strawberry Beds to talk things over with the two lads before publishing. Anthony Farrell of Houyhnhnm also weighs in, referring to Killeen's 'remarkable begrudgery' in the face of the 'finest feat of Irish textual scholarship of recent decades'.

    Keen observers of the Joycean scene are waiting with bated breaths to see what happens next. And oh yes, I must have another go at reading Finnegans Wake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Libre View Post
    As might have been predicted, war has broken out over a new 'corrected' edition of James Joyce's Finnegans Wake, edited by Danis Rose and John O'Hanlon and published by Houyhnhnm Press. But don't all rush out to buy it as it costs 300.

    First out of the traps has been Terence Killeen who wrote a critical review in last Saturday's Irish Times, headed 'A flawed Finnegans Wake-up call' and declining to give Rose and O'Hanlon's edition a 'warm welcome'. In today's IT Bruce Arnold, who had championed the new edition of the Wake in the Indo, steps in to defend Rose and O'Hanlon (brothers apparently), describing Killeen's review as 'dismissive' and wondering why he had not travelled out to Strawberry Beds to talk things over with the two lads before publishing. Anthony Farrell of Houyhnhnm also weighs in, referring to Killeen's 'remarkable begrudgery' in the face of the 'finest feat of Irish textual scholarship of recent decades'.

    Keen observers of the Joycean scene are waiting with bated breaths to see what happens next. And oh yes, I must have another go at reading Finnegans Wake.
    Anyone who thinks politics is vicious should try academia some time. Academic rows over texts and meanings and interpretations can be the worst of all - enless hairpulling and name-calling. They make rows in politics look like kiddies' tea-parties in comparison.
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    The timing of this is nothing but a vicious, homophobic plot to prevent David Norris being elected president

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    The timing of this is nothing but a vicious, homophobic plot to prevent David Norris being elected president
    David Norris is a chancer who calls himself a Joycean scholar. He does not even have a PhD for goodness sake. How he ever got that job with a B.A is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainwillard View Post
    David Norris is a chancer who calls himself a Joycean scholar. He does not even have a PhD for goodness sake. How he ever got that job with a B.A is beyond me.
    Not even a PhD - one is shocked and horrified

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Not even a PhD - one is shocked and horrified
    Yeah..I know. It really is the least one would expect from an eminent scholar and lecturer in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    The timing of this is nothing but a vicious, homophobic plot to prevent David Norris being elected president
    Speaking of whom, was Norris present at the launch of the Rose/O'Hanlon edition of Finnegans Wake by Finance Minister Lenihan in Dublin Castle last Thursday? The Irish Times report, not written by Terence Killeen, lists Seamus Deane, John Banville, Paul McGuinness and Robert Ballagh in attendance, but no leading Joyce Centre or academic Joycean heads. According to the current Phoenix, Danis Rose has a bit of a history with the National Library of Ireland, believing himself to have been blacklisted. It was Rose apparently who originally discovered the Finnegans Wake manuscript controversially sold to the National Library by a sometime state contract employee for a profit of 700,000 in 2005. But we have to be very careful what we say about this episode, as an unfortunate blogger who commented a little too freely had to agree to pay 100,000 in damages late last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainwillard View Post
    David Norris is a chancer who calls himself a Joycean scholar. He does not even have a PhD for goodness sake. How he ever got that job with a B.A is beyond me.
    Many academics in Ireland who were hired in the 1960s and 1970s didn't have PhDs. The number of PhDs awarded in Ireland was small and many Irish academics in that time were hired without PhDs. (There was not the same international study options there are now. Most academics of the period simply studied in Irish universities.) Another example was Professor Brian Farrell. The current Chancellor of the NUI, Maurice Manning, lectured for years without a PhD and only got his in recent years.

    Calling Norris a chancer is garbage, but typical of the rubbish you post. The irony of the one main chancers on this site calling a respected academic a chancer is delicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    Many academics in Ireland who were hired in the 1960s and 1970s didn't have PhDs. The number of PhDs awarded in Ireland was small and many Irish academics in that time were hired without PhDs. (There was not the same international study options there are now. Most academics of the period simply studied in Irish universities.) Another example was Professor Brian Farrell. The current Chancellor of the NUI, Maurice Manning, lectured for years without a PhD and only got his in recent years.

    Calling Norris a chancer is garbage, but typical of the rubbish you post. The irony of the one main chancers on this site calling a respected academic a chancer is delicious.
    You cannot be serious. Check the credentials of most lecturers/professors in the TCD english department. Even in the mid seventies when I was 'dating' a TCD english grad, she would comment that she was more qualified than Norris. She had completed a M.A .

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainwillard View Post
    You cannot be serious. Check the credentials of most lecturers/professors in the TCD english department. Even in the mid seventies when I was 'dating' a TCD english grad, she would comment that she was more qualified than Norris. She had completed a M.A .
    Having an M.A. obviously establishes that one has a higher level formal qualification than a B.A. - but it certainly does not establish that somebody is better educated in the subject. Einstein published his Special Theory of Relativity when he held only a humble bachelors degree

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