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Thread: Solar Minimum 2009, Global Cooling and the Record Breaking Winter

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    Interesting publication from April 2009 discussing the consequences of the solar minimum, the steepest in 100 years. They argue that this would create global cooling as what happened during the mini Ice Age of the Dalton era in the 18th and 19th Centuries.

    Since then we have had record breaking cold winters across the Northern Hemisphere. Our own Winter has been the 1 of the coldest in 100 years.

    Goodbye Global Warming - Solar Minimum 2009
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    The carbon taxes are working. The Earth is begining to cool. In April ye will get the chance to knock it down another degree. Pay up now, no complaining. The planet has a fever

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    Very good programme on last night on BBC2 "How the Earth Made Us" part 5.

    Outlined how human activity has basically led to the earth avoiding an ice-age. The finger was pointed at methane from the domestication of livestock and deforestation as the causes of global warming rather than CO2. Worth a watch on the i-player. CO2 wasn't dismissed as a cause of global warming but it made for interesting veiwing and backs up the theory of the cold years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra Syndrome View Post
    Since then we have had record breaking cold winters across the Northern Hemisphere. Our own Winter has been the 1 of the coldest in 100 years.

    The Jet Stream has been weaker and further south than normal this winter, displacing usual weather patterns, and allowing some places to be colder than normal, while other places have been warmer than normal. For instance, Madeira has found itself in the path of the displaced jet, and has been bombarded with the Atlantic storms we usually get in Winter.

    The warmest winter in over a century has plaqued Olympic organisers in Vancouver..
    Vancouver warm spell breaks record
    "It's been an absolutely phenomenal stretch of much warmer than normal weather," said Jones.
    "It started on Jan. 1 and it hasn't let up and it's showing no signs of letting up and … it's going to remain warm through the next week or two."
    Record High temperatures in Bulgaria

    In the southern hemisphere, 6 months ago, Australia experienced its warmest winter on record.
    Australia's warm winter a record

    None of this proves global warming, any more than a cold winter proves global cooling.
    To put it crudely, our weather patterns are fecked up, and whats causing it is debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brigg View Post
    The Jet Stream has been weaker and further south than normal this winter, displacing usual weather patterns, and allowing some places to be colder than normal, while other places have been warmer than normal. For instance, Madeira has found itself in the path of the displaced jet, and has been bombarded with the Atlantic storms we usually get in Winter.

    The warmest winter in over a century has plaqued Olympic organisers in Vancouver..
    Vancouver warm spell breaks record


    Record High temperatures in Bulgaria

    In the southern hemisphere, 6 months ago, Australia experienced its warmest winter on record.
    Australia's warm winter a record

    None of this proves global warming, any more than a cold winter proves global cooling.
    To put it crudely, our weather patterns are fecked up, and whats causing it is debatable.
    I never heard of a "snow hurricane" before.

    ?Snow Hurricane? Approaches New York, Pennsylvania (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    It was snowing in Nevada, Arizona, right across the southern states. Spain, Korea, Japan, China etc. Its all over the Northern hemisphere. The gulf stream has moved lower as a result of the cooling descending from the North.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra Syndrome View Post
    I never heard of a "snow hurricane" before.

    ?Snow Hurricane? Approaches New York, Pennsylvania (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    It was snowing in Nevada, Arizona, right across the southern states. Spain, Korea, Japan, China etc. Its all over the Northern hemisphere. The gulf stream has moved lower as a result of the cooling descending from the North.
    You never heard of a snow hurricane before because there's no such thing. Typical media hype!
    There is nothing unusual about snow in winter in Japan Korea or China. Vast continental landmasses cool dramatically in Winter, and the prevailing winds in Japan or Korea tend to blow off the freezing interior of China/Russia/Siberia.
    Spain is the most mountainous country in Europe, with a vast plateau interior. Snow is very common there in Winter, contrary to popular belief. Arizona and Nevada are also high altitude.

    I would love to believe the gulf stream was disappearing, I love snow, but the current sea surface temperature anomalies suggest nothing of the sort.
    The waters around Britain and Ireland are colder than normal, due to the prolonged cold spell of weather, but to the west, northwest, and north the ocean temps are still above normal.

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    Perhaps, when thinking about global temperature, we need to do more than just list off "places that are cold":



    Because, you know, other places aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brigg View Post
    You never heard of a snow hurricane before because there's no such thing. Typical media hype!
    There is nothing unusual about snow in winter in Japan Korea or China. Vast continental landmasses cool dramatically in Winter, and the prevailing winds in Japan or Korea tend to blow off the freezing interior of China/Russia/Siberia.
    Spain is the most mountainous country in Europe, with a vast plateau interior. Snow is very common there in Winter, contrary to popular belief. Arizona and Nevada are also high altitude.

    I would love to believe the gulf stream was disappearing, I love snow, but the current sea surface temperature anomalies suggest nothing of the sort.
    The waters around Britain and Ireland are colder than normal, due to the prolonged cold spell of weather, but to the west northwest, and north the ocean temps are still above normal.
    Would media hype not be working for the warming side? I know snowfalls can happen anywhere at anytime during the Winter. But this is a synchronised record breaker all across the Northern Hemisphere. Type in snow record winter into Google News and its eyeopening.

    I would dismiss this as a freak year, but when Solar minimum started a year ago, it adds to the belief that our climate is primarily governed by the Sun.

    The Dalton and Maunder minimums correlate with the Mini Ice age. The 1970s solar cycle was weak and the 70s was chilly. The 90s solar cycle was strong and temperatures increased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra Syndrome View Post
    Would media hype not be working for the warming side? I know snowfalls can happen anywhere at anytime during the Winter. But this is a synchronised record breaker all across the Northern Hemisphere. Type in snow record winter into Google News and its eyeopening.

    I would dismiss this as a freak year, but when Solar minimum started a year ago, it adds to the belief that our climate is primarily governed by the Sun.

    The Dalton and Maunder minimums correlate with the Mini Ice age. The 1970s solar cycle was weak and the 70s was chilly. The 90s solar cycle was strong and temperatures increased.
    What is it with you and facts? The cold spell at the end of 2009 (a) only happened in certain areas, while others were anomalously warm (see map); and (b) only lasted for a while.

    Here's the summer of 2009:



    Really, you're sticking your fingers in your ears here, and shouting "it isn't happening!". Worse, you're making it obvious that you're doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    Perhaps, when thinking about global temperature, we need to do more than just list off "places that are cold":



    Because, you know, other places aren't.
    Have you got a link for that same chart for the 1st 2 weeks of 2010?

    Here is the January temperatures for Fairbanks Alaska, which appeared red in that graph in December. While we were freezing, their temperatures were below normal as well

    Fairbanks Daily Record
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