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    Sunday Tribune, February 14th 2010: Estate agents using gardaí to get illegal data

    Estate agents claim they can use gardaí to illegally access the confidential Pulse intelligence system to conduct criminal background checks on potential tenants, a Sunday Tribune investigation has found. [...]

    The Data Protection Commissioner Billy Hawkes has now launched a probe into the allegations of illegal activity in the sector.
    This is the same Data Protection Commissioner - Billy Hawkes - who said he'd "like to investigate to uncover the scale of the problem" of estate agents colluding with mortgage brokers just a few years ago, to find out beforehand what the buyer had to spend, and upping the prices accordingly? An investigation that resulted in our courts full of prosecutions for those offences?

    Irish Examiner, December 12th 2006: Property market is rife with illegal practices, programme claims

    In the programme ‘Buyer Beware’, Primetime Investigates outlined some serious problems encountered by buyers, sellers and householders, including: bidding against themselves as estate agents make up fake prices to push up the price of a property, fake bidders being used in auctions, high fees being charged for services by property management agencies and ‘gazumping’, where sellers renege on a sale agreement and then sell for a higher price.

    The programme claimed that in some cases mortgage brokers find out how much money a perspective buyer has to spend and passes the information on to the estate agent. [...]

    The Data Protection Commissioner Billy Hawkes said that a mortgage broker passing on information regarding a perspective buyer’s financial situation broke the terms of the Data Protection Act and that his office would like to investigate to uncover the scale of the problem.
    And now we have estate agents colluding with the gardaí? What are the gardaí who illegally provide such info getting in return?

    Ireland, in 2010. Will somebody, anybody, CTRL-ALT-DEL it now, wipe the disk clean and install a new operating system in the country please? It's game over here. What next, and NAMA is only getting started?
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    Well, let's bear in mind that "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear", eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    Well, let's bear in mind that "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear", eh?
    Aye, and if you have something to hide and get caught you can now just claim an "error of judgement", "professional advice which was misguided" or "a genuine mistake", or so it would seem. Failing that there's always the good ol' reliable "memory loss" to fall back on.
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    Kind of hard to believe this story, PULSE spends more time crashing and not being available than it does being live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digout View Post
    Kind of hard to believe this story, PULSE spends more time crashing and not being available than it does being live.
    It's the intent to use the information for the benefit of estate agents is the worrying, not to mention illegal, concern. We already recently had the AXA, a dodgy civil servant, and your money thread, where a civil servant was allegedly secretly supplying confidential information to AXA Insurance, with no consequences. Who else are the civil servants and gardai passing confidential information to, in breach of Data Protection legislation? Ireland has to get very tough on these white collar crimes.
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    Surely this is an issue for either the Garda or the Garda Ombudsman to investigate.
    But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsAnneThrope View Post
    And now we have estate agents colluding with the gardaí? What are the gardaí who illegally provide such info getting in return?
    It's often done as a favour for a friend or relative. I've seen a friend use her sister to get full history on a car before she bought it. It wouldn't surprise me to see similar done.

    With 16,000 gardai who have access to pulse and let's say them having 10 family members and 10 friends they'd provide the info to, that leaves a lot of the country with access to the confidential garda information on Pulse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by locke View Post
    It's often done as a favour for a friend or relative. I've seen a friend use her sister to get full history on a car before she bought it. It wouldn't surprise me to see similar done.

    With 16,000 gardai who have access to pulse and let's say them having 10 family members and 10 friends they'd provide the info to, that leaves a lot of the country with access to the confidential garda information on Pulse.
    It should be a case for instant dismissal and prosecution. Period.
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    My previous boss would often ask his garda friends to check the PULSE system for back ground checks on people he was considering hiring.

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    Many Gardai are landlords too - not the most responsible always either which would lead you to wonder if they used the pulse system for their own properties how different life could be for their neighbours in many cases

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