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    Default new book: John Paul II used to whip himself to bring himself closer to God

    Pope John Paul II whipped himself with a belt to bring him closer to Christian perfection, according to a new book by the Polish prelate spearheading his sainthood case.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/...n_john_paul_ii

    Utterly weird.

    If he wanted to bring himself closer to God maybe he should have dealt with the rampant clerical abuse that he received reports of, rather than as he did largely ignoring it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    Pope John Paul II whipped himself with a belt to bring him closer to Christian perfection, according to a new book by the Polish prelate spearheading his sainthood case.

    Book: John Paul II used belt to whip himself - Yahoo! News

    Utterly weird.

    If he wanted to bring himself closer to God maybe he should have dealt with the rampant clerical abuse that he received reports of, rather than as he did largely ignoring it!
    "But it wasn't limited to this. As some members of his close entourage in Poland and in the Vatican were able to hear with their own ears, John Paul flagellated himself. In his armoire, amid all the vestments and hanging on a hanger, was a belt which he used as a whip and which he always brought to Castel Gandolfo," the papal retreat where John Paul vacationed each summer.

    Name these members of his close entourage then?

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    is this the opus dei stuff from the da vinci code

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    Conspiracy theory rubbish. The writer is just out to improve his bank balance, Other conspiracy theories put foward by various scibblers down the years, e.g. De Velera was a British spy, John Lennon was shot by the CIA etc, etc, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlabMurphy View Post
    Conspiracy theory rubbish. The writer is just out to improve his bank balance, Other conspiracy theories put foward by various scibblers down the years, e.g. De Velera was a British spy, John Lennon was shot by the CIA etc, etc, etc

    I don't think so, the book is being published by the Vatican to push for JPII to made a saint:

    The book Why He Is a Saint: the Real John Paul II has been written by Monsignor Slawomir Oder, the Vatican official in charge of the process that could lead to sainthood for the late pontiff.
    Pope John Paul II regularly whipped himself, book says | World news | The Guardian

    Self flagellation to bring you closer to God.. and we wonder why a lot of our priests end up as twisted perverts?
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    In fairness, its not the masochists that are the problem.

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    Kinky! But, whatever got him off, I suppose . Pity the habit didn't catch on lower down the clerical food chain; if it had, the priests and religious who beat, whipped and buggered children could have "gotten closer to God" by whipping and shagging themselves rather than children.

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    I thought this sort of thing was considered passe by.... well the mid 16th century or thereabouts. Seems I was wrong.

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    Ah, those crazy christian traditions...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Interista View Post
    I thought this sort of thing was considered passe by.... well the mid 16th century or thereabouts. Seems I was wrong.
    Indeed, the madness of stating that self flagellation brings you closer to God is medieval... enlightenment? what's that?

    The whole sainthood process is just odd in the extreme, you begin to see where the whole reformed church thing was coming from.
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