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    Social Democratic parties are essential to the survival of the capitalist system. Social Democrats divert the working class away from revolutionary change. They tells us that capitalism is fine, that is just needs a bit more regulation. They channel dissent and anger against capitalism down blind alleys. The difference between Social Democrats and the traditional right wing parties is that social democrats believe that concessions to the working class are occasionally necessary to prevent revolution while followers of Friedman, Reagan and Thatcher believe in permanent war against the workers.

    No more Social Democrats! They are cowards and traitors! Let us be done with their lies and their collaboration with capitalist exploitors. The fastest way for workers to ditch capitalist exploitation is to ditch social democrat traitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enda the Mayo peasant View Post
    Social Democratic parties are essential to the survival of the capitalist system. Social Democrats divert the working class away from revolutionary change. They tells us that capitalism is fine, that is just needs a bit more regulation. They channel dissent and anger against capitalism down blind alleys. The difference between Social Democrats and the traditional right wing parties is that social democrats believe that concessions to the working class are occasionally necessary to prevent revolution while followers of Friedman, Reagan and Thatcher believe in permanent war against the workers.

    No more Social Democrats! They are cowards and traitors! Let us be done with their lies and their collaboration with capitalist exploitors. The fastest way for workers to ditch capitalist exploitation is to ditch social democrat traitors.
    Could the Irish Labour Party be considered social-democrats?

    Im not sure....Maybe you would have been better off posting this in the Sinn Fein section...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SevenStars View Post
    Could the Irish Labour Party be considered social-democrats?

    Im not sure....Maybe you would have been better off posting this in the Sinn Fein section...
    The Irish Labour Party are just a crutch to Fine Gael. However they refer to themselves as social democrats.

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    Capitalism is the greatest instrument of social-justice, and 'Social Democracy' the great oppressor of the working-class. Capitalism delivers competition, which in turn improves service-quality and reduces prices - the latter also resulting from the greater efficiency of the private-sector in terms of cost-reduction. But true capitalism can only work where there is competition. Social-Democratic and Leftist parties pretend to represent the interests of the working-class, which according to an analysis of Census 2006 by the Dublin Opinion blog, constitutes 59-60% of those workers that can be categorised on an occupational basis. In truth, their commitment to universalism causes them to support the maintenance of a regressive transfer of wealth to the upper-classes (including the 15% of households that both receive child-benefit and have an income of €100,000+). True social-justice is to be found in a free market of goods and services regulated vigorously by competition-authorities to prevent collusion and price-fixing - and where the rights of workers to decent working-conditions are protected without prejudice to the rights of commerce to act within the law.

    Recent TNS-MRBI polls demonstrating Labour support strongest among the upper-classes underlines this.
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    Funny that, I started a thread today about Guatemala's social democrat president today
    http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...er-murder.html
    (yes, I know, thread whoring...)

    It seems to hold with your definition of social democrat anyway.
    "Authority that cannot be questioned is tyranny and I will not accept tyranny, any tyranny, even that of heaven."
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Capitalism is the greatest instrument of social-justice, and 'Social Democracy' the great oppressor of the working-class. Capitalism delivers competition, which in turn improves service-quality and reduces prices - the latter also resulting from the greater efficiency of the private-sector in terms of cost-reduction. But true capitalism can only work where there is competition. Social-Democratic and Leftist parties pretend to represent the interests of the working-class, which according to an analysis of Census 2006 by the Dublin Opinion blog, constitutes 59-60% of those workers that can be categorised on an occupational basis. In truth, their commitment to universalism causes them to support the maintenance of a regressive transfer of wealth to the upper-classes (including the 15% of households that both receive child-benefit and have an income of 100,000+). True social-justice is to be found in a free market of goods and services regulated vigorously by competition-authorities to prevent collusion and price-fixing - and where the rights of workers to decent working-conditions are protected without prejudice to the rights of commerce to act within the law.
    Have you any idea of the living conditions of most people in the libertarian paradise of 19 th century England?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SevenStars View Post
    Have you any idea of the living conditions of most people in the libertarian paradise of 19 th century England?
    Have you any idea that I qualified my comments above:
    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    True social-justice is to be found in a free market of goods and services regulated vigorously by competition-authorities to prevent collusion and price-fixing - and where the rights of workers to decent working-conditions are protected without prejudice to the rights of commerce to act within the law.
    How that be interpreted as harking back to Dickensian working-conditions is beyond me. Workers have to have rights but so do consumers. It would be a mistake to regard the two as incompatible. I certainly don't.

    In any case, the market of 19th century England was distorted by the after-effects of centuries of Big Government dispossesion of the lands of the working-class, and protectionist policies like the Corn Laws by aristocratic and royalist government. Everything is relative. In terms of free-trade, even 19th century England was not truly libertarian.

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    oh yay another capitalism is evil thread, Cael use to always start these now Enda. Anyone else think they are the same person?

    better opportunities for working classes would not exist without capitalism, thats why so many in this country enjoyed earning tax free for so many years becuase capitalism and its fruits gave the government the opportunity to do so through increased income
    If we were all born equal we would all be white, middle-class, middle-aged men!

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    Good points by Enda. Labour are by far the most elitist bunch in leinster house. While there are many genuine socialists and lefties within Labour the people at the top are very much middle class smoked salmon socialists, perhaps personified by ruari quinn. What differentiates Labour from FF & FG is their views on issues such as abortion, gay marriage etc.
    Labour have badly represented the poor in our society especially with their support for the Nice treaty which greatly undermined lower paid workers. Their support of Lisbon shows they sit comfortably with the militarist agenda of right wing parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpurs View Post
    Good points by Enda. Labour are by far the most elitist bunch in leinster house. While there are many genuine socialists and lefties within Labour the people at the top are very much middle class smoked salmon socialists, perhaps personified by ruari quinn. What differentiates Labour from FF & FG is their views on issues such as abortion, gay marriage etc.
    Labour have badly represented the poor in our society especially with their support for the Nice treaty which greatly undermined lower paid workers. Their support of Lisbon shows they sit comfortably with the militarist agenda of right wing parties.
    Are you sure about that?

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