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    Default Is our sentencing of criminals too lenient?

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    29 years to run concurrently and he gets out after 9? Why do concurrent sentences exist? Are not all victims equally damaged?

    A youngfella was shot the other night in the south inner-city. In 2003 he was convicted of a horrific crime whereby he threatened to slice a girls throat. Why was he free in 2007 the first place? He had also been charged prior to that of shooting at Gardai from a stolen car (not sure if he was convicted).

    Are we too lenient in sentencing criminals?
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    We only have space for 3000 prisoners at any one time. Every new bad guy locked up requires a "reformed" guy like our throat-slicer friend being let out.
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    Default Re: Is our sentencing of criminals too lenient?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev408
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0226/orourked.html

    29 years to run concurrently and he gets out after 9? Why do concurrent sentences exist? Are not all victims equally damaged?

    A youngfella was shot the other night in the south inner-city. In 2003 he was convicted of a horrific crime whereby he threatened to slice a girls throat. Why was he free in 2007 the first place? He had also been charged prior to that of shooting at Gardai from a stolen car (not sure if he was convicted).

    Are we too lenient in sentencing criminals?
    Depends. For a start theres the economics of it - we just dont spend enough on the justice system, a large proportion of money goes into tribunals designed to lie to us about the true exent of the corruption.

    Then theres the fact that it also depends on the social 'class' of the victim and the perpetrator. If the perpetrator and/or victim is perceived as 'lower class' then the sentencing is lenient because no one of importance was hurt. If the perpetrator and or victim is perceived as 'upper class' then its much more severe.

    The fact is, most judges live very far removed from the people they deal with. They look down upon vicitms and accused alike.

    Justice rarely shows up in courts, not just in Ireland but around the world.

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    When life imprisonment means 8-12 years, then I think you could safely say we're too soft on murderers

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    Quote Originally Posted by badinage
    When life imprisonment means 8-12 years, then I think you could safely say we're too soft on murderers
    Then why do we not do something about it? Derry O'Rourke never expressed remorse and was quite happy to smirk at his victims.

    Is it an Irish thing that we aren't appalled at flagrant injustice?
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    The sentencing system in this country isn't very transparent nor does it appear "precisely/scientifically" administered/determined. However nor is the jury system. But some rough sentencing guidlines, say updated every 5 years, would be useful - I don't believe these exist right now ?

    I'd propose that the President of each court be responsible for them & then we'd have something semi objective to benchmark sentences against.

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    Tbh our sentencing is a joke, life must mean life etc. As mentioned previously he never expressed any remorse, I really don't understand how he is getting released after only 9 years.

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    Why not let the juries decide how long those found guilty should serve?

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    Might be a good idea, the judges don't seem to live on the same planet as the people who suffer at the hands of criminals.

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    Of course, but lets not forget the bluecollar crime and the crimes commited by our ruling establishment. Leniant? Some poor junkie gets the can but some rich politcian steals from under our very noses?
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