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    Default The fascination with Adolf Hitler.

    Over 60 years after his death, Hitler still exerts a macabre influence over the world. Recent films about Hitler era include "Inglourius Basterds", The boy in the striped pyjamas, and "Valkyrie". Without doubt he was a monster, but could he have been saved? What led to his hatred and fanaticsm. We know he was gassed in ww1, and that he was jailed by the German authorities after the Munich putcsh. Did these events make him the arch war criminal? How much was the final solution his personal doing. I would guess most of it. There is no doubt though that he wanted some kind of agreement with the British empire/America.He refused to invade Britain. Had he secret communist leanings- I would say he had, but kept quiet about them. I would also guess that had he been stopped in 1936, there would have been a civil war in Germany, with maybe the Communists winning out. Finally there is no doubt in my mind also he was borderline criminally insane- you would see his type in the maximum security wing of any prison, or on death row in the US. A manic depressive maybe.

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    Finally there is no doubt in my mind also he was borderline criminally insane- you would see his type in the maximum security wing of any prison, or on death row in the US. A manic depressive maybe.
    No, his type is rarely found in prisons. To be put in prison you either have to kill someone yourself or be thought to be capable of killing people during a trial. Hitler falls into neither category.
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    Evil people always attract a fascination as we try to understand what we basically cant understand...... Hyndley, Brady, Krays ....... just look at the selection of soft porn crime mags in any newsagent or how tabloids use lurid headlines to make sales......... evil fascinates and sells

    Heres one for the pub.... ask people to name 10 evil people.... there'll be some discussion and some agreement but lots of suggestions ....... then ask your friends to name 10 intrinsically good people........ great fun

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    The whole point of Hitler is that he represented something in All human beings,and I get annoyed when someone is painted as good we identify with them ,but when painted bad [by after events]
    they are over there and have Nothing to do with us. He was a popular figure at the time ,not only in Germany,but elsewhere ,and what he represents is the need for power and control over others ,and a need for perfection which went too far .The idea that he is worse than most or so different from us goodies is a false reality,or that we would all be living in 'paradise' on earth if he had not existed is nonsense too.HE simply was the Aggregate of the whole Western condition,like a boil is the point of poison in a poisoned body .If we were all perfect ,He would not have happened,but the media ,the
    diversionists [from their own condition ]need an escape,an excuse not to face their own personal hitler . Hence his fascination.

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    What I find so bizarre and unnerving about Hitler is apparently he loved animals particularly his German Shepherd dog "Blondi", was a vegetarian teetotaler and could be very warm and charming personally with scores (obviously) of devoted followers.

    I recently watched the movie "Der Untergang/Downfall" - very impressed with it - chronicles the fall of Berlin and Hitler's last days - based on his final secretary's testimony who was with him till the last (but survived obviously)

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    History is not always so cut and clear ... I doubt we'll ever really know what motivated that man to do such evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brughahaha View Post
    Heres one for the pub.... ask people to name 10 evil people.... there'll be some discussion and some agreement but lots of suggestions ....... then ask your friends to name 10 intrinsically good people........ great fun
    Good idea for a thread though I don't imagine most people would have any difficulty with that task and there would be much convergence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Towers View Post
    Good idea for a thread though I don't imagine most people would have any difficulty with that task and there would be much convergence.
    Nah, the great 'wags' of p.ie would just name ten FF ministers. Hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Towers View Post
    Good idea for a thread though I don't imagine most people would have any difficulty with that task and there would be much convergence.
    oh you'd be amazed at the ability to disagree, one was Irish and thought JP2 was evil for his stance on contraception and its effects in Africa........she spoke forgetting one of the others at the table was polish very very entertaining!!!!

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    The idea that he is worse than most or so different from us goodies is a false reality
    We may all have the potential to be as bad as Hitler but that does not mean that we are all, in practice, objectively no different from him. We can choose to reject evil, rather than immersing ourelves in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhonda15 View Post
    What I find so bizarre are unnerving about Hitler is apparently he loved animals particularly his German Shepherd dog "Blondi", was a vegetarian teetotaler
    He was not a vegetarian. His favourite meal was apparently something called stuffed squab, which is, I'm told, a particularly messy thing to eat, leaving a lot of bones on the plate. It's a myth that he was a vegetarian, although digestive problems meant he had to watch what he ate.

    He loved his dog so much he poisoned it with cyanide.

    He also drank, though not much. More of a sherry man than a whiskey or beer drinker.

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