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    Default Irish army training excercise in donegal......didnt know they had it in them

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEMU6_pGiS8"]YouTube- Irish Defence Forces Training Exercise in Donegal, WallaceMedia News Package 12Nov09[/ame]

    interesting stuff..they m,ust have hired the helicopters off ciairan haughey or something though!!!!
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    They can't fool us - we know this was a smokescreen for some sneaky Christmas shopping in Strabane !

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    Thats the current fleet of Irish Defence Forces helicopters. Next time your home take a look up they fly over the Curragh and Newbridge quite a bit.

    Training like this takes place all the time these days. We no longer have the old flabby Army of 15 years ago!
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    The infantry soldiers in the Irish army are amongst the best trained soldiers in the world. Also they have better personal equipment than the personal equipment of many other armies such as the French army. We mightn't have a large army but we have a well prepared army.

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    I grew up in an army town and they were a joke for years...but they do seem to have smartened up a bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banban View Post
    The infantry soldiers in the Irish army are amongst the best trained soldiers in the world. Also they have better personal equipment than the personal equipment of many other armies such as the French army. We mightn't have a large army but we have a well prepared army.


    Thats not true, they dont have the theatres or equipment to train troops to NATO standards(very few Irish army troops ever train abroad, in jungles, deserts, mountains,etc etc), example, they still dont have any infantry counter IED capability nor any on vehicles, no infantry GPs location equipment. Nor any NBC training, limited FIBUA training, not enough field craft, etc, etc, some of the training the Rangers do is done by standard infantry units in other countries.

    Due to the lack of equipment and support, they struggle to put together any regular exercises larger then company level.

    Saying that they have come on massively in the last 15 yrs in terms of Personal equipment and training, now being members of an EU battle group and less emphasis on the border. But there is still too much emphasis on doing civilan jobs like protecting cash escorts and guarding prisons.

    I think the Irish army are excellent peace keepers, their best units are the engineers and signals. The infantry dont train to fight as rapidly deployable infantry into war zones and the only way they would is via joining NATO.

    Comms equipment should be improved and signallers embedded with the infantry also as first aiders, like the Yanks and Brits do nowadays. A major weakness in the infantry is Fire support coordination and the lack of it at anything larger then company level.


    The helos in the video were a poor purchase, they are civilan helicopters, they dont have a military payload, example they cant carry an artillery gun crew on board and field gun underneath at the same time, they have to put the gun crew down and go back for the artillery fieldgun.


    The French claim you made is total bs.
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    Can anyone think of a scenario where the Defence Forces would be deployed to defend Ireland?

    Does anyone think it likely that helicopters will ever be transporting artillery pieces (as in the example above) to fight off an invader?

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    [QUOTE=stripey cat;3545347]Can anyone think of a scenario where the Defence Forces would be deployed to defend Ireland?

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    Depends on how you define "defend". The Naval Service is tasked with intercepting drugs and this can be argued as defending Ireland's people. Obviously we are a "neutral" country so we don't engage in wars. Peacekeeping duty can be said to defend Ireland's image in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stripey cat View Post
    Can anyone think of a scenario where the Defence Forces would be deployed to defend Ireland?

    Does anyone think it likely that helicopters will ever be transporting artillery pieces (as in the example above) to fight off an invader?

    They are geared up for peace keeping abroad and policing the border historically.

    Air mobile artillery, which can be rapidly deployed and moved helps stop it being located and destroyed by the enemy in the theatre by air or enemy artillery, hence my point about the helos payload.

    This does become a factor as Ireland has 1 company which is now part of an EU battlegroup, which potentially could be deployed in conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspherical123 View Post
    They are geared up for peace keeping abroad and policing the border historically.

    Air mobile artillery, which can be rapidly deployed and moved helps stop it being located and destroyed by the enemy in the theatre by air or enemy artillery, hence my point about the helos payload.

    This does become a factor as Ireland has 1 company which is now part of an EU battlegroup, which potentially could be deployed in conflict.
    So that's a no then.

    We have Defence Forces, which we don't need to defend ourselves.

    Air mobile artillery doesn't seem like the sort of thing international peacekeepers or border police would find useful.

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