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    Diplomat and curator of Irish Jewish Museum - The Irish Times - Sat, Feb 07, 2009

    Given the enrichment of American society when they accepted large numbers of Jews before, during, and after the second world war, should we have been more active in opening our gates to european Jews?

    Regardless of the moral issue of whether we should have been more accepting of both our own jewish community and european jews fleeing persecution in europe, other countries were hugely enriched by the influx of some truly brilliant minds. Tajfel, Erikson, etc.

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    Of course we should have irrespective of what benefits they would have brought to the nation.

    Common human decency demanded it, but seeing as children were systematically being raped and tortured in our own 'little Belsens', that common human decency was in short supply.

    At least we were all 'God Fearing' Christians though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The OD View Post
    Of course we should have irrespective of what benefits they would have brought to the nation.

    Common human decency demanded it, but seeing as children were systematically being raped and tortured in our own 'little Belsens', that common human decency was in short supply.

    At least we were all 'God Fearing' Christians though.
    Absolutely agree. A mistake of historic proportions - the triumph of narrow-minded parochialism over common humanity. It remains one of the biggest blots on De Valera's record.

    And unfortunately, we were not alone in closing the borders.
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    Given the enrichment of American society when they accepted large numbers of Jews before, during, and after the second world war
    Did the US accept large number of Jews 'during and after' the second world war?

    My understanding is that the bulk of Jewish immigration to the US was in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, well before the war. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, during and after the war, the US imposed strict quotas on immigration from many European countries, including those with large Jewish populations. It was this, rather than any great commitment to zionism, which caused large numberso f jews to emigrate to Palestine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadfly View Post
    Absolutely agree. A mistake of historic proportions - the triumph of narrow-minded parochialism over common humanity. It remains one of the biggest blots on De Valera's record.

    And unfortunately, we were not alone in closing the borders.
    From a selfish point of view, we could have been inundated with some of the finest thinkers in such disciplines as maths, physics and engineering if we did.

    But, as ever, the Irish state made an arse of it.

    We're good at that.
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    I don't think Ireland managed to attract many Jews with brilliant minds even when our doors were open - though there did seem to be many brothels in Portobello area (formerly Little Jerusalem) in the early 20th century.

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    Yes, we missed out big time. And the Jewish communities that were here have now more or less gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadfly View Post
    Absolutely agree. A mistake of historic proportions - the triumph of narrow-minded parochialism over common humanity. It remains one of the biggest blots on De Valera's record.

    And unfortunately, we were not alone in closing the borders.
    Quite correct. And in 70 years time another generation will make similar criticisms of us for allowing our territory to be used as a stop-over for aircraft taking people to be tortured or worse.

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    I don't think Ireland managed to attract many Jews with brilliant minds even when our doors were open
    It's probably worth pointing out that, even though the Jews were disproportionately well represented in the sceincesand other areas of great endeavor, for every mathematical genius there would have been dozens of illiterate peasants barely distinguishable from other East Europeans of the time. Obviously, that in no way affects the moral case for taking in refugees from the war (whether Jewish or otherwise), but it's a little bit fanciful to imagine that they would all have been Einsteins or Mendelsohns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhonda15 View Post
    i don't think ireland managed to attract many jews with brilliant minds even when our doors were open - though there did seem to be many brothels in portobello area (formerly little jerusalem) in the early 20th century.

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    you nazi!!!!!

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