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    Absolutely amazing. The Government are hiding 58,500 unemployed and the thread doesn`t even get a hit !!!

    Here`s another one for you - my brother in law lost his job about 4 months ago. He was offered a training course in HR by FAS over 6 months. Because he is now in training he isn`t included on live register and he can take on some work if it was available because he is no longer on the live register, he is on a training course !!!!

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    Unemployment is really over 20% then?

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    This used to be standard practice for Fás back in the 80s and I can't think why they'd change now. Everyone knew this was the case though of course it could never be admitted by Fás themselves. As it happened, though, I did have the good fortune to have it personally confirmed for me by a Fás employee.

    I did a Fás "start your own business" course shortly after returning to Ireland in the 80s. It was an external course that was given by the Irish Productivity Centre (if anyone is old enough to remember that). There were all sorts on the course but, given its very nature, it's understandable that most of us shared a certain slightly extrovert, "go-for-it" attitude (I mean you needed that in spades to even dream of starting a business here in the mid--80s).

    There was one grotesque old harridan in some vaguely senior position in the Baggot St Fás office who was notorious for the contempt she clearly felt for Fás's "clients". She took grave exception to this attitude in our group, which she seemed to view as being wildly inappropriate for lesser mortals who had the sheer bad manners to be unemployed.

    We only had to deal with this baggage very occasionally but on one such occasion our collective "cheek" (as I presume she saw it) got the better of her and she harangued us about how we were fools if we thought the course was about starting a business: it was designed to get us off the live register, she announced, and when it was over we'd all be going right back on to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsui View Post
    This used to be standard practice for Fás back in the 80s and I can't think why they'd change now. Everyone knew this was the case though of course it could never be admitted by Fás themselves. As it happened, though, I did have the good fortune to have it personally confirmed for me by a Fás employee.

    I did a Fás "start your own business" course shortly after returning to Ireland in the 80s. It was an external course that was given by the Irish Productivity Centre (if anyone is old enough to remember that). There were all sorts on the course but, given its very nature, it's understandable that most of us shared a certain slightly extrovert, "go-for-it" attitude (I mean you needed that in spades to even dream of starting a business here in the mid--80s).

    There was one grotesque old harridan in some vaguely senior position in the Baggot St Fás office who was notorious for the contempt she clearly felt for Fás's "clients". She took grave exception to this attitude in our group, which she seemed to view as being wildly inappropriate for lesser mortals who had the sheer bad manners to be unemployed.

    We only had to deal with this baggage very occasionally but on one such occasion our collective "cheek" (as I presume she saw it) got the better of her and she harangued us about how we were fools if we thought the course was about starting a business: it was designed to get us off the live register, she announced, and when it was over we'd all be going right back on to it.

    That is shocking, but she was right, doing a course like that is basically the same as reading some paperback called 'Start your own business now with the power of chakra and the healing angels."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouroux View Post
    That is shocking, but she was right, doing a course like that is basically the same as reading some paperback called 'Start your own business now with the power of chakra and the healing angels."
    Well I dunno, Mouroux. This was the 80s, and while most of the people on that course had ideas for businesses few if any had a background in business or had even done business as a subject in school, so a firm grounding in business basics was a decided asset. The course itself was heavy on legality & bookkeeping, which seemed to me very practical aspects of business indeed. Also a lot of practical stuff about the use of computers in business, which a whole lot of Irish businesses simply did not have yet then. Not a mention of chakras or healing angels.

    Then again the IPC wasn't some branch of Fás staffed by civil servants with theoretic knowledge or anything. None of us could have dreamed of affording a six-month fulltime course with them, which is what this was.

    In the end my own life took another turn and I never started my business, but so far as I know quite a few people on the course did, & in my case it left me with a firm grounding in the subject that's stood me in very good stead since.

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    What is the difference between job seekers allowance and job seekerd benefit?, are one group not included on the list.
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    What I want to know is why the CSO stopped updating thier website after July. I've been following the updates there for 12 months, then all of a sudden they stopped adding to it.

    CSO - Statistics: Seasonally Adjusted Standardised Unemployment Rates

    Can someone tell me why this is the case.

    At least it would be some data even if its crap as it doesnt show what the unemployed are moving into (ie emmigration, fas course, third level etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by beanie View Post
    What is the difference between job seekers allowance and job seekerd benefit?, are one group not included on the list.
    both are included on the live register. but fas 'trainees' aren't. once you're on their course, they pay you directly.

    i got rejected from a fas course recently for "already having the necessary skills"... i asked them why they thought i wanted to do the course in the first place then, and their answer? "... because you don't have the necessary skills..." classic! - shut it down and save a billion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DizzyOC View Post
    both are included on the live register. but fas 'trainees' aren't. once you're on their course, they pay you directly.

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    So how many are on these courses?
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    The live register is not how we measure unemployment. Instead we use the national household quarterly survey, hence the reason there has been no update since July. It aint rocket science.

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