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    Default The Irish/Gaelic Invasion of Scotland

    What is the opinion of Republicans and other whingers who go on about 'Britain invading Ireland', in regards to this act of Irish/Gaelic imperialism?


    How would Scotland have developed without this act of imperialism ?


    "Starting sometime around the 5th century Gaelic language and culture spread from Ireland to the southwest coast of Scotland where it may have already existed since Roman times. Uncertainty over this comes as a result of the fact that there is disputed archaeological evidence to support the generally accepted tale of migration while there is some to suggest that there was none - the evidence also points to the population of the area (modern day Argyll) being constant during the time of the alleged Scottish invasion. This area was known as Dál Riata. The Gaels soon spread out to most of the rest of the country. Culturo-linguistic dominance in the area eventually led to the Latin name for Gaelic speaking peoples, "Scoti", being applied to the state founded by the Gaels, Scotland (Alba in Gaelic). Since that time Gaelic language rose and, in the past three centuries, greatly diminished, in most of Ireland and Scotland. The most culturally and linguistically Gaelic regions are in the north west of Scotland, the west of Ireland and Cape Breton Island in Nova Scotia where the descendants of the Highland Clearances were transplanted."





    "The Gaels took over the kingdom of the Picts in the north east of Scotland and then the other kingdoms in southern Scotland, creating Scotland as a single kingdom within its present boundaries by 1013 AD. Scotland is therefore older than England, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Belgium and other European countries.

    By about the tenth century Gaelic was the official language of all of Scotland and Ireland

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    I still cant work out if you are Nimrod the vampire from "Dracula Lives" or Nimrod the undercover British agent from "Hogans Heros". Though I think the above gives us a clue.

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    Nimrods historical accuracy is exellent, certainly it opens the questions and debates about the pros and cons of any cultural invasion, Many ultra Republicans will try to make a case of differance between the Irish Invasion of Scotland and that of Ireland and ignore that invasion is natural, for 1 culture at its military and cultural apex to invade another, it human nature its been going on for thousands of years.In the case of Ireland being invaded well it was just our turn, Nimrod makes more interesting points when he reminds us of how one culture becomes dominated by another in launguage and customs. Well this is also true of Ireland, it is totally anglosised yet with a deep underlying gaelic identity as well, history and anthropology shows us that nations-cultures that havent gone through Invasion or outside influence stay in a state of stone age, or a level of culture and sophistication that is eons behind those that have. in other words Invasions even in the case of Ireland-scotland are to the betterment of the race in the long run and sorrowfully bad in the short term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelfastSpark
    invasion is natural, for 1 culture at its military and cultural apex to invade another, it human nature its been going on for thousands of years.In the case of Ireland being invaded well it was just our turn...Invasions are to the betterment of the race in the long run...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BelfastSpark
    Nimrods historical accuracy is exellent, certainly it opens the questions and debates about the pros and cons of any cultural invasion, Many ultra Republicans will try to make a case of differance between the Irish Invasion of Scotland and that of Ireland and ignore that invasion is natural, for 1 culture at its military and cultural apex to invade another, it human nature its been going on for thousands of years.In the case of Ireland being invaded well it was just our turn, Nimrod makes more interesting points when he reminds us of how one culture becomes dominated by another in launguage and customs. Well this is also true of Ireland, it is totally anglosised yet with a deep underlying gaelic identity as well, history and anthropology shows us that nations-cultures that havent gone through Invasion or outside influence stay in a state of stone age, or a level of culture and sophistication that is eons behind those that have. in other words Invasions even in the case of Ireland-scotland are to the betterment of the race in the long run and sorrowfully bad in the short term.
    Who are these "ultra republicans" who say the Gaelic invasion of Scotland was any different to any other invasion? I never heard them anyway.

    And perhaps you could give a reference for these works of "anthropology" and "history" which show that any nation which hasnt gone through invasion stays in a stone age state. Does that mean that Japan was in the stone age until 1945?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael
    And perhaps you could give a reference for these works of "anthropology" and "history" which show that any nation which hasnt gone through invasion stays in a stone age state.
    But Cael, how could any nation possibly develop law and civilisation and culture by themselves without the benevolent guiding hand of Mutha Ingerlund? It's just not possible, we need them to save us from our savage and primitive barbarism. It is sadly regrettable that some, err, tough love had to be administered to drag us up to something approaching civilisation, and Mutha's heart bleeds every time she has to chastise us, but really at the end of the day it's all for our own good and we're the better for it, eh what?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cael
    And perhaps you could give a reference for these works of "anthropology" and "history" which show that any nation which hasnt gone through invasion stays in a stone age state. Does that mean that Japan was in the stone age until 1945?
    Actually Japan was forced to "open up" in the mid-19th century. Before that it was a feudal tightly-controlled (one could even say "totalitarian") society, with, for example, Christianity totally banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelR
    Quote Originally Posted by Cael
    And perhaps you could give a reference for these works of "anthropology" and "history" which show that any nation which hasnt gone through invasion stays in a stone age state. Does that mean that Japan was in the stone age until 1945?
    Actually Japan was forced to "open up" in the mid-19th century. Before that it was a feudal tightly-controlled (one could even say "totalitarian") society, with, for example, Christianity totally banned.
    But it wasnt invaded and had a highly developed culture long before the Europeans came - a very long way from "stone age".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelR
    Actually Japan was forced to "open up" in the mid-19th century. Before that it was a feudal tightly-controlled (one could even say "totalitarian") society, with, for example, Christianity totally banned.
    "open up" from who's point of view, exactly?

    The entire bushido culture of the samurai was based on the writings of a Chinese dude. Japan, China and Korea had been involved in cultural interaction, trade and wars for many centuries. The Europeans first arrived in Japan in 1542. The Tokugawa Shogunate periodically ordered all Christians out of Japan and there were occassional pogroms, but Christianity was never completely removed from Japan and the Dutch, Chinese and Koreans were still permitted to trade. The Sakoku (National Seclusion) polices were never as strictly enforced as modern myth would have you believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder
    Quote Originally Posted by BelfastSpark
    invasion is natural, for 1 culture at its military and cultural apex to invade another, it human nature its been going on for thousands of years.In the case of Ireland being invaded well it was just our turn...Invasions are to the betterment of the race in the long run...
    NURSE!



    Dude, you really need to up the dosage.
    OK, Take the Roman Empire at its Apex. Are you seriously suggesting that Europe didnt Benefit from Greco-Roman Culture, its been the stalemate of western Civilisation for centuries in it laws and values, religion. Anthropology Suggests that Civilisation-technology moves from an east to west course of course you had civilisation in pre-romanic domains, however , do you honestly think that civilisations would have developed, Democracy and meritocracy if it wasnt for that eastward expansion of civilisation just look what Rome gave us in Technology the pre-romanic world prospered both Intellectually and technologically, and what happened when rome fell, Europe fell into the dark ages. All developed societies have went through some sort of influence or Invasion by a technological and intellectual superior people, its the oil so to speak in civilisation that makes humans advance from stagnant societies to more advanced, where would China be without Western Economic priciples? now one of the major economic powers etc, Sorry its not Social Darwinism,Eugenics or anything like that, its historical Fact, only most people see the negatives. when I say superior I dont actually mean it in the Nietzian Superman Sense

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